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Criminal Case registered at Rabwah under Ahmadi-specific law
Police commits grave sacrilege and arrests an Ahmadi

Rabwah, May 29, 2003: In collaboration with Mullah Allah Yar Arshad, the police at Rabwah registered a criminal case under the anti-Ahmadiyya law PPC 298C, against two Ahmadis for writing the Kalima (Islamic creed) on there house, and arrested one of them. The same night, under the directions of the police inspector, the Kalima was forcibly effaced from the front wall of the house of the accused.

Mr. Masood Ahmad, Ahmadi was having his house constructed in Rehman Colony, Rabwah. He got the Kalima, inscribed on his house. The Kalima is the statement of faith for Ahmadis as well; they have no other creed. It simply means: “There is none worthy of worship except God; Muhammad is His prophet”. Mullah Allah Yar Arshad, the local station chief of mischief, approached the police and got them going on this non-issue. The police accompanied the mullah to the location and detained Mr. Mubarak Ahmad, the son of the owner. At the police station, Mr. Mubarak was forced to agree that if the police decides to efface the Kalima, the house owner would not resist. Under this arrangement, Mubarak was released. Subsequently, in the middle of the night, on 28 May at about 0100, the police visited the house to undertake
the deplorable sacrilege. However, as a number of Ahmadis had gathered at the spot, the constables returned and took away again Mr. Mubarak to the police station.
There, the police registered a criminal case against the father and the son on May 29, 2003 on behalf of Mullah Allah Yar Arshad, and formally arrested Mr. Mubarak Ahmad.

At about 10:45 p.m. on May 29, 2003 a police contingent, comprising 9 individuals visited the site. They had brought chisels and hammers with them. In the darkness they acted as shameless agents of the mullah and broke up the Kalima. The police undertook willful vandalism and damage to private property in the name of religion. A number of local Ahmadis were present at the occasion, who helplessly watched the shameful act of police functionaries. They did not put up any resistance to this act of tyranny; instead they recited prayers and turned their supplications to God. The incident reminds one of the painful destruction of Buddha’s statues in Afghanistan by Taliban two years ago.

Mr. Mubarak Ahmad remained behind bars awaiting a decision on his plea for release on bail. He is not even the owner of the property. The father and the son face three years’ imprisonment for writing their own harmless creed on their own house. The incident proved beyond any doubt that the government of Pakistan had done nothing to restore human rights to Ahmadis and the police were under instructions to collaborate with the mullah to persecute Ahmadis. Rabwah never was nor is a sanctuary for Ahmadis.
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I only want to kow from anti ahmadis special the one and only bao bihari(who challanged us :hehe:) provide me vers of Holy Quran and Hadith which SUPPORT this shamefull action of Mullah and Police.
May Allah(swt) save Islam and Pakistan from such losers. Ameen

more to read about such cases Religious persecution of Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat

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Alhamdulilah! You (Mirzais/Ahmedis/Quadianis) have no right to write kalima like that! You are declared non-Muslims. So instead of pointing fingers at Pakistan, look at what you have done, and how you are defaming Islam!

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These are exactly what human rights are! Say that you are Muslims and not Ahmedis, and you can write kalima where ever you want. The teachings and sayings of the Ahmedia cult and its founders greatly perturb the Muslim majority of Pakistan and Muslims all over the world.

And don't try to act innocent and persecuted! The blasphemy you do is a great offence!

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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
And don't try to act innocent and persecuted! The blasphemy you do is a great offence!
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Perhaps others consider your beliefs blasphemous and your insults quite offensive. Respect is a two way street. You do not necessarily own the path to righteousness, whether your beliefs are in the majority or not.

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Mr. Islamabad:

If wiping the Kalima off from a wall and imprisoning people for saying Assalam O Alaikum is Islam near you, then I am afraid this is not the Islam, Holy Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) brought.

Now what I am going to do right now in the next line is a criminal offence in Pakistan:
:salam:

oops! I have just commited a grave criminal act according to the constitution of Pakistan. As an ahmadi, I am not allowed to do so.

Mr. islamabad, please go at once and informed the nearest police station and don’t forget to tell the nearest Mullah belonging to Khatam-e-Nabuwat conference.

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You guys.... enough is enough.

For God's sake, we have so many other problems.... female infanticide, acid crimes, kids as young as 3 sleeping on our streets... corruption, elitism... kids being used as sex slaves. What's really more important? Branding each other as nonMuslims or working on these more important issues? Look at individuals like Edhi - before he buries the body of a homeless guy on the road, does he stop to ask the dead corpse if he is Qadiyani or not?

Get over it, people. While we are busy with this labelling, our own social problems are accelerating.

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Especially for Ahmedis, it is a criminal offence. If governemnt of Pakistan, doesen’t act like this, you would corrupt a lot of things. Of course a distinction has to be made between the followers of one last Prophet :saw: and followers of Mehdis, Krishnas, and what not!

Tell me one thing, just imagine, If somebody tells you that If you don’t believe me, you are all sons of prostitutes. What would I do to him? I would personally smash his face. Now look at our patience. After all what your mirza said, we still bear with you all. How can I respect your mirza and your community when such grave offences have been made?

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Mr. islamabad:

What are you still doing here? You should be in a police station by now! Naamoos-e-Islam is attacked by me by using :salam: and you are sitting in your chair writing mails. Afsos sad Afsos!

And about the son of prostitute thing, already answered in different threads. If you do care to read and understand those posts, then you shouldn’t be asking the same question again!

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You may deny a thousand times, but the reality is very clear to everyone. That is why you are not accepted in the main-stream Muslim community.

I have read and participated in all the threads you are talking about. None of you could give a convincing answer. Truth is very clear. Even in you translation you mentioned “Zuriya tul Baghaya” . Now you may call it metaphor or whatever. Your founder had no manners!

Afsoos to aap par key even after seeing so much clearly, you still do not see the grave mistakes your leader commited. MAy Allah open your eyes and heart to the truth. By the way, I never said I am the most perfect Muslim. If I commit any mistakes may Allah forgive me and guide me. But this is between me and my Allah. I do not go around telling people that if you do not believe me, you are sons of prostitutes.

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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
You guys.... enough is enough.

For God's sake, we have so many other problems.... female infanticide, acid crimes, kids as young as 3 sleeping on our streets... corruption, elitism... kids being used as sex slaves. What's really more important? Branding each other as nonMuslims or working on these more important issues? Look at individuals like Edhi - before he buries the body of a homeless guy on the road, does he stop to ask the dead corpse if he is Qadiyani or not?

Get over it, people. While we are busy with this labelling, our own social problems are accelerating.
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If majority of muslims were following true teachings of Islam then these social problems wouldn't have existed at the first place. This shows how unIslamic our society has become, and still you think there is no need for a reformer?

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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
If I commit any mistakes may Allah forgive me and guide me. But this is between me and my Allah.
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Then you should allow the same respect for others. If you won't listen to a non Muslim, then read Nadia's wise and benevolent post above.

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Mr. Islamabad:

There is a verse in Holy Quran (Non-Ahmadi source):

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"The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense." (Holy Quran 8:22)
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My Question to you is that are the words DEAF and DUMB are used in literal sense or in metaphorical sense? Simple question and can be answered in simples YES or NO!

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Mr. Islamabad:

There is a verse in Holy Quran (Non-Ahmadi source):

My Question to you is that are the words DEAF and DUMB are used in literal sense or in metaphorical sense? Simple question and can be answered in simples YES or NO!
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This is what Allah is saying. The Almighty, The All Powerful and our Creator. Now if a common person starts talking like that and that too using such abusive language, what would we call him?

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huh? :confused: Of course there is need for a reformer - but we should reform ourselves from the inside. Isn’t that a higher form of jihad.

Zaki Ahmed, All i’m trying to argue is that this is a waste of time. While we are busy fighting over who deserves to state the Kalima and who doesn’t, outside our gates more serious problems are occurring. Does the 3 year old sexually molested girl in our cities of Karachi and Lahore give a damn who Mirza is? Does a 5 year old boy sleeping on the streets of Islamabad care for academic arguments about who’s a kafir and who’s not?

i don’t know. Seems to me like we are fighting between ourselves as a means of distraction from having to focus upon real issues.

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I totally agree with Nadia. We have discussed the Ahmedi fitnah a lot! I would not like to discuss the same thing again and again. May Allah guide us all to the right path. Ameen

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Mr. Islamabad:

If in Holy Quran, metaphors can be used, what is prohibiting humans from using it. I haven't seen anywhere in Islamic history where using of metaphors is prohibited.

one of the most well known lexicon, Tajul Urus, the term "zurrayatul baghaya" is also used for a person who is deprived of guidance. The "Tajul Urus" clearly states that to call a person "zurrayatul baghaya" means that he is deprived of guidance.

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In total agreeance with sister nadia.

One interesting point I have noticed is that all these ahmadi threads seem to be mostly started by ahmadi's, you guys wanna post your BS, you have your own propaganda sites to do it on. Don't preach to us your tripe.

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Mr. Islamabad:

If in Holy Quran, metaphors can be used, what is prohibiting humans from using it. I haven't seen anywhere in Islamic history where using of metaphors is prohibited.

one of the most well known lexicon, Tajul Urus, the term "zurrayatul baghaya" is also used for a person who is deprived of guidance. The "Tajul Urus" clearly states that to call a person "zurrayatul baghaya" means that he is deprived of guidance.
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Now consider this my last answer to this thread. In all Arabic dictionaries, Zuraya tul bhaghaya means Sons of prostitutes. If Mr. Tajil Urus has used it that way, than it does not mean that the other meaning is not valid!

Even If I look at this word from your point of view, good people do not use words that have double meanings. Out of all the words on earth, he selected zuraya tul bhaghaya. This itself speaks volumes of his character and Ikhlaq!

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Originally posted by Islamabad: *
**I totally agree with Nadia. We have discussed the Ahmedi fitnah a lot! I would not like to discuss the same thing again and again. May Allah guide us all to the right path. Ameen
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in shock

whoa someone actually agrees with me in this Forum!

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Mr. Islamabad:

Here is the answer to your allegation:

Among the many false allegations which Mullas put against the Promised Messiah (A.S.) there is one allegation that he has used abusive language against the opponents. In order to prove their false allegations the opponents twist the facts and even wrongly translate some of the writings of Promised Messiah (A.S). One of such Anti-Ahmadiyya campaigner Dr. Rashid is used to extensively present following wrongly translated and wrongly interpreted quote from the writings of Promised Messiah :

"Except for the CHILDREN OF PROSTITUTE, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else believes in me and has accepted me." (Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)
The correct translation of above quote is :

"Every Muslim will accept me and will confirm my claim except the zurrayatul baghaya whose hearts will have been sealed up by God Almighty." (Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)

Just imagine the honesty of these Mullahs!! Now lets further examine what could be meant by the words "zurrayatul baghaya" here. These are the words which Mr. Rashid has translated as "CHILDREN OF PROSTITUTE".

Remember that in all languages of the world the words are used in two ways. Either they are taken as literal or they are treated as metaphorical. It is the context which explains that in what sense the author has used them.

To further explain it lets take examples of following verses of Holy Quran where Allah says that :

"The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense." (Holy Quran 8:22)

At another place Allah says that "Those who were blind in this world will be blind in the Hereafter and most astray from the Path" (Holy Quran 17:72)

(Note: Translation of above verses taken from Non-Ahmadi source)

Can those who overemphasize on literal meanings of "zurrayatul baghaya" also take the words "Blind, Dumb and Deaf" expressed in the verses of Holy Quran quoted above as LITERAL?????

Certainly not !!! Then why they overemphasize on Literal Meaning of the words "zurrayatul baghaya"??? Actually they are the people with double standards. And they use their double standards in most evil manners in order to misguide the Servants of Allah (God).

Keeping above background in view lets examine the under discussion quote of Promised Messiah (A.S). Promised Messiah had written :

"Every Muslim will accept me and will confirm my claim except the zurrayatul baghaya whose hearts will have been sealed up by God Almighty." (Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)

According to Promised Messiah (A.S) those whose hearts are sealed by God will not accept him. Here one must note that :

Sealing of heart by God is always used in metaphorical and spiritual sense. (Examples are available in Holy Quran as well). Thus the Promised Messiah (A.S) had made the meaning of "zurrayatul baghaya" very clear by explaining the spiritual state of nonbelievers rather than speaking about their materialistic /physical background.

By simple logic whose hearts are sealed by God could only be those whose spiritual birth and up-bringing is filthy i.e. those who are evil by nature. In spiritual matters it does not make difference that from whose progeny one belong to. Holy Quran clearly explains this phenomenon by giving the example of the Son of Prophet Noah (A.S). God tells us that despite being the progeny of Prophet, his heart was sealed by God, due to his evil nature, and so he did not follow the right path.

In addition to above according to one of the most well known lexicon, Tajul Urus, the term "zurrayatul baghaya" is also used for a person who is deprived of guidance. The "Tajul Urus" clearly states that to call a person "zurrayatul baghaya" means that he is deprived of guidance.

The example of the opponents of Promised Messiah (A.S), who are day and night busy in uttering filth and falsehood against him, is best described in Holy Quran as : "His similitude is that of a dog: if you attack him he lolls out his tongue or if you leave him alone he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject our signs; so relate the story; perchance they may reflect." (Holy Quran 7:176).