Few weeks back there was a debate among Sunni and Shia scholars on few issues.
All Shia questions were answered satisfactorily…
One answer which came after a very proud and insulting but childish question from Shia side…
When Hadrat Abu Talib and his family was restricted in Sehab-e-Abi Talib for three years due to a Social Bycott by the Makkens,… where was the most loving and closest friend(Abu Bakr) of Prophet(peace be upon him)…
What an answer I came across…
A detailed history of the hard days of Hadrat Abi Talib and his family…
And who did what and where during three years…
Are Shia brothers here interested in knowing that?
They will not be interested to know it and they are going to reject it as they have done time and again about any posting showing any praise for companions of prophet such as recently calling the post of Zein as " Fiction ". But you should still post your research to spread knowledge among the muslims. God bless you.
Are you alright?!?! You dont even think before sayin this right??! Hazrat Abu Bakr was their closes friend (our Prophets (pbuh), Hadrat Ali, Hadrat Umer, etc)
How can you say something like this...you have proofs? How can a human being create such hatred and ridicule such a amazing personality.
Uff Allah (swt) aise logo maaf karde, aakal nahi hai na inme.
"Talk before you think or think before you talk. Its up to."
"kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat"
He had faith though it would waiver at times. He was highly influenced by Umar the innovator, whose harsh language and intimidating behavior would lead Abu Baker to do things he may not have wanted to do.
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Originally posted by wasir:
**Few weeks back there was a debate among Sunni and Shia scholars on few issues.
All Shia questions were answered satisfactorily........
One answer which came after a very proud and insulting but childish question from Shia side.......
When Hadrat Abu Talib and his family was restricted in Sehab-e-Abi Talib for three years due to a Social Bycott by the Makkens,....... where was the most loving and closest friend(Abu Bakr) of Prophet(peace be upon him).......
What an answer I came across......
A detailed history of the hard days of Hadrat Abi Talib and his family......
And who did what and where during three years.....
Are Shia brothers here interested in knowing that? **
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If it is anywhere as good as the fiction on the "Two Darlings", I'd definitely be interested in knowing.
Hazrat Abu Bakr was the closest friend Prophet Muhammad ever had..he was always with him from messengers child hood ..during his prophet hood and rest of his life.. he is considered by most as very strict ruler.. as his stand against people who didnt wanted to give zakat proved.. so Prophet muhammad was the greatest judge of his friends.. we can chose our frieds but not our family in most cases...
for all those who were so excited/anxious to discuss the 'shia vs sunni' conflict, you can see how 'loving' we are while discussing such. Mr Salman is a very loving person, instead of bringing a contribution to the discussion he starts to puke around.
purpose of all/most of shias on this forum is to join any thread talking about 'Sunni'/'Shia' beleifs and start spilling their hate, perhaps this shows their upbringing.
According to my knowledge, there are three levels of imaan:
you stop the wrong by your hand… highest/best level.
you tell the wrong doer when he/she is committing wrong… medium level
you beleive that wrong is wrong but neither you stop nor tell the wrong doer… weakest level
are you suggesting that Hazrat Ali RA was so weak that he couldn’t raise his voice against wrong? or he didn’t have enough level of imaan??? la hola wala toba, astagfirullah, I really can’t beleive this.
And I suppose you are a STRONG muslim in comparison!
At least have the dignity to give credit where it's due!
When you get the authority to make judgements on the Sahaaba, whomever they were. Please feel free.
Otherwise brace yourself for another 'mudslinging, I'm better than you, I'm right you're wrong' debate.
Not from me, but other Guppies as right about now I'm amusing myself by picking on the Ahmedies!!!
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Sholay,
Go play with the Ahmedis. Those lost souls will be easy prey for you.
As far as Abu Baker is concerned, there are numerous examples of his dis-obedience to the holy prophet's (pbuh) order.
1) Bakri's rejection of the waliyat of Imam Ali (as),
2) His refusal to accept the young Usama (chosen by the prophet (pbuh) as his commander in the war against the romans (the last war that the prophet (pbuh) ordered an expeditition for before his death)
3) His usurping of Fadak, the property of the Lady of Light, Fatima Zahra
4) His hurting the holy lady Fatima to such an extent that she cursed him till her death.
There are many more such examples. And with sunni references ofcourse.
1) Bakri's rejection of the waliyat of Imam Ali (as),
** as a matter of fact Hazrat Ali did take Hazrat Abu Bakr bait and accepted him as leader of ummah and Khalifa..now its time u too accept him by following Hazrat Ali.. **
2) His refusal to accept the young Usama (chosen by the prophet (pbuh) as his commander in the war against the romans (the last war that the prophet (pbuh) ordered an expeditition for before his death)
** ..and who told u that ? **
3) His usurping of Fadak, the property of the Lady of Light, Fatima Zahra
** did he took that property home? He was right and had his own point of view.. if u or any body dont like it its ur problem **
4) His hurting the holy lady Fatima to such an extent that she cursed him till her death.
** he was her uncle and very close companion of her father..even if they had differences its their personal problem not ur or ours .. Hazrat Fatima cant curse anybody.. and how he hurt her..by taking some piece of land ?? **
And this is your darling ?
** whatever u fabricate he is the first man to accept Islam and Prophet Muhammad loved him and so do we .. **
Abu Baker being the first to accept islam. Go get your facts straight. You mean just like the Japanese history books saying how they didn't massacre any chinese during WW II ?
Not joining Usama's army - oh my, we didn't know about this, did we Degas ? Go read some history before zealously defending yr dubious characters.
Hurting the Mistress of women in paradise, Fatima Zahra is a minor issue to you, is it ? She who was the dearest to the holy prophet (pbuh), the mother of the holy imams, was hurt by Bakri in several ways, including the issue of Fadak and the treatment of Imam Ali (as).
Why, have you forgotton the saying of the holy prophet (pbuh) - He who angers Fatima, angers me. He who angers me, angers Allah (swt) ?
3) His usurping of Fadak, the property of the Lady of Light, Fatima Zahra
Search for the truth.**
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Indeed. A question for all of the Shia.
If Abu Bakar as-Siddiq did indeed deny Fatimah (ra) of the oasis of Fadak, who came after him? - Umar, ok so he carried on whith this gross injustice and again denied her her inheritence, so who came after him? - Uthman, ok so he carried on whith this gross injustice and again denied her her inheritence, so who came after him?
Obviously Ali and by your assertions then he also denied her this inheritence???????? What say you now>>
In fact staying with this, once Ali did became the next Amir ul Mumineen why did he to strive to reverse all the wrongs against him? And why did he not speak up when he was opressed again? Why did not Allah's kalam tell us to follow the 12 Shia Imams, why did Allah almighty not strike lighting into the hearts of those who opresed the shia Imams and thier progeny?
So many why's and not any sense out of all of this rubbish.
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One thing which I have noticed on Shia side is their "beautiful" language. Your words actually present your personality and whatever is inside you. Salman and a1shah's posts are there to read.
One more thing......Shia faith isn't based on Love for Ali(Radi Allah an hu).....
It is based on hate for Sahabas.......You can see here
If Hadrat Abu Bakr(Radi Allah an hu) was a weak Muslim then how come you call Hadrat Ali (Radi Allah an hu) a strong Muslim or Infalliable as he had supported him by giving his bait not for just Abu Bakr but Umar and Usamn (Radi Allah an hum) as well.
It means we should count both Hadrat Abu Bakr and Hadrat Ali(Radi Allah an hum) the same.......
Either they were both Strong Muslims or they were both weak Muslim.......