Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
Here is your answer:
Listen to what he says at the end of the video.
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
There was an arms and ammunition producing area in KP (Tribal area)before 1947 and they were making guns and ammunition locally and there was also imported material available there. It developed in a great scale market during Afghan war. This market is the main source and enemy only spend money.
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Looks like evidence is piling up CM :)
Pakistanis are a talented group now, aren't they?
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
All what you and me say are conjecture. But if you listen to the people at helm of affairs they clearly point the finger at Afghanistan. Awais Ahmed Ghani, governor of KP in Jirga said it straight that supply route come through Afghanistan.
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
All what you and me say are conjecture. But if you listen to the people at helm of affairs they clearly point the finger at Afghanistan. Awais Ahmed Ghani, governor of KP in Jirga said it straight that supply route come through Afghanistan.
Which is exactly what I'm saying. This isn't about region. Or destabilizing Pakistan. It's all about money. Arms dealers make tons of money selling arms to the Taliban smuggled through Afghanistan. Its a very cozy arrangement. A constant source of income for the arms dealers and a assured supply of weapons for the Taliban.
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
It's a well known fact that in both Iraq and Afghanistan, many of the weapons delivered to local security forces ended up being "lost".
It's a lucrative trade for those in positions of power in those countries.
There is a huge black market in illegal arms globally. No arms factory sells directly to terrorists groups, but they do sell to both corrupt regimes, as well as to businessmen who act as distributors. When those individuals are based in countries with weak regulatory systems, they are able to sell to whoever they want. They sell to people who sell to people who sell to people.
In other words, the Taliban are able to buy weapons and ammunition because someone is making money selling to them.
The fundamental issue is that there is not an effective arms control legislative system globally to prevent it. Western countries generally have stricter laws, which is why the Taliban get few US or European made weapons. In most photos, they carry Eastern bloc weaponary, due to poorer legislative controlof the arms industry in those countries.
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^ Now this makes lots of sense
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- Russia -- cannot think of a reason... anyone? Revenge of 80s.
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
The TTP wing of CIA is provided all kinds of logistics, money and weapons by CIA.
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Of course Pakistanis themselves are angels. It is impossible that elements from withing Pakistan are earning billions supplying weapons to the Taliban.
Why not you elaborate? Which "elements from withing Pakistan" you think are "earning billions supplying weapons to the Taliban" and by whom? Who is supplying weapons and who is giving "billions," and if you think the donor of these "billions" is a non-state actor where is this gigantic amount of money coming from in the first place?
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
It's a well known fact that in both Iraq and Afghanistan, many of the weapons delivered to local security forces ended up being "lost".
It's a lucrative trade for those in positions of power in those countries.
There is a huge black market in illegal arms globally. No arms factory sells directly to terrorists groups, but they do sell to both corrupt regimes, as well as to businessmen who act as distributors. When those individuals are based in countries with weak regulatory systems, they are able to sell to whoever they want. They sell to people who sell to people who sell to people.
In other words, the Taliban are able to buy weapons and ammunition because someone is making money selling to them.
The fundamental issue is that there is not an effective arms control legislative system globally to prevent it. Western countries generally have stricter laws, which is why the Taliban get few US or European made weapons. In most photos, they carry Eastern bloc weaponary, due to poorer legislative controlof the arms industry in those countries.
So my theory of terrorist growing these weapons in field is seems to be the wrong one!!! now i think they grow money on the field so that they can buy all these weapons from suggested countries.... again innocent indians and americans are no where near to provide them with financial support... they are the only countries in the world along with Israel who are totally dedicated to world peace....
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
So my theory of terrorist growing these weapons in field is seems to be the wrong one!!! now i think they grow money on the field so that they can buy all these weapons from suggested countries.... again innocent indians and americans are no where near to provide them with financial support... they are the only countries in the world along with Israel who are totally dedicated to world peace....
Haven't you heard, money does grow on trees? :)
Drug trade FTW!
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
Haven't you heard, money does grow on trees? :)
Drug trade FTW!
yes i have heard about it, but haven't seen any tree yet... btw how does this money ( grown on trees) get the signature/seal of central bank???
Drug trade.. yes but in the FATA regions it is limited compare to Afghanistan where it is about USD 250 Millions, yes same Afghanistan which is under Karzai and USA, where India and USA are doing whatever is necessary to build a peaceful nation...
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
Actually, there are AK-47s made out of area called Darra off of outskirts of Peshawar. I had been there back in 1987. Back then, the Russian made were selling for Rs. 30,000 to Rs. 35,000 Chinese made for Rs. 20,000 to Rs. 25,000 and Pakistani (Darra) made Rs. 10,000. Keep in mind this gun and ammo making has been their main source of income for centuries. I had bought a pen pistol there which was pretty cool. It could hit and damage its target pretty effectively from a distance of 22 yards.
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If by Talibans we mean the ones fighting in Pakistan against Pakistan, then the suppliers have to be different (different in namesm, not in origins) from the ones supplying ammunition and arms to Afghan Taliban, or we better say various afghan resistance groups. Because the interested parties in both areas (at least on a higher level) are different. In Afghanistan, it can be Russia, Iran, China, some south american states or even USA itself (of course not on govt level)
If by taliban in this thread we mean TTP, then it has to be USA, India, Russia, any of NATO members, Iran can also part-take in this to some extent. Not to forget Israel. And of course they don't "always" have to provide weapons of their own make, they can simply buy it from another country and hand it to the killers.
Those who say no its not India or USA or Israel or any other country mentioned above for that matter, why don't they tell then who it could be?
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
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There are too much sources. International and local. I can say about locals.
Also include Chandah, Bhatta,Blackmailing,Loot mar,Share from the business of area including drug money. Money from the people who are in trade between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Some of them temporarily started taking money from allies and than go back to their Oregon , I am sure they get some money for some jobs in Pakistan and some are paying them to keep them save from their attacks.
Remember they never attacked MQM, PML N , PML Q and and .........
Re: Where Talibans are getting their ammunition from?
I think it is not that complex. Read following where TTP and TTA (Afghanistan) are getting the ammunition. Afghanistan got $33 billions of aid since 9/11. In absence of any tracking, part of the ammunition siphoned by Afghan Police or inetlligence agencies, sold to Taliban. Similar is the case with Pakistan. Some people are playing double agent. It is quite an unfortunate situation.
**American Weapons in the Hands of the Taliban **
The chicanery may be worse next door. America has sent about $12 billion since 9/11 to help neighboring Pakistan crack down on Al Qaeda operatives camped out along its border. Much of that, too, “has been stolen,” says California congressman Howard Berman. Pakistan artificially inflated prices by up to 30 percent for supplies like fuel, ammunition, and barbed wire. It has also diverted hundreds of millions to pay for weapons unrelated to its fight with the insurgents. And scarily, even as American officials warn about the risk of insurgents stealing a bomb from Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, the country is still expanding its atomic arsenal, possibly with money freed up by American aid
**Worst of all, many U.S. government officials and analysts believe Islamabad deliberately keeps the Taliban and Al Qaeda strong so it can milk us for more aid. Pakistan’s intelligence service “is hedging its bets and playing both sides of the fence,” says a Senate Democratic foreign policy aide who spoke on the condition of anonymity. **
Policymakers may finally be waking up to these problems. The Pentagon recently deployed a database that tracks the serial numbers and distribution of small arms sent to Afghanistan. But there’s still no tracking system for the ammunition. Congress also needs to hand over the budget that Inspector General Fields needs to hire more auditors.