Where is the Only One 'True God'?

[aqeel123]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

In fiction books written hundreds/thousands of years ago.

^ I'm sure there was. I was just stating one of the places where he can be found.

I am not an atheist as people usually understand the term - I do not staunchly believe that there is absolutely no designer/controller of the universe. But I am atheist when it comes to the abrahamic god, the hindu gods, the greek gods or the african gods.

^ I'm not sure I want a label cuz it can mean different things to different people. You can say im probably closer to being agnostic than a full out firm atheist regarding some sort of a designer/controller or designing/controlling mechanism.

But I'm much closer to being a firm atheist than agnostic regarding the abrahamic, hindu, greek or african gods.

@sharaabee

Your unecessary condescending tone does not help my motivation to sensibly explain my thoughts to you. I'll try one last time.

I believe what can be proven by modern scientific methods. Faith is not enough. Neither is the mumbojumbo "evidence" that some religious folks try to pass off as evidence. As clearly mentioned in my post, i am not an all out atheist drnying any possibility of there being some sort of a creator/designer/controlle.

My bigger problem is the pack of abrahamic, hindu, greek, african etc gods for which thrre is no specific evidence of. Just their existence that is. Forget the fairytale stories, guidelines etc.

@sharaabee

Tu jahan bakvaas kar main paunch jaunga. :d

@sharaabee

Why do I have to pick one of either science or a religious basket? It's not always Science vs Religion. You are just trapped in the religious vs atheist zone.

For a Non Religious / Atheist you are seen far too often in Religion forum. Religion does interest you more than you think it does.

[aqeel123]

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

@lethal_kamikaze

:salam2:

Where is ‘Almighty Allah’? I read few answers of our members in the thread ‘God is Beyond or Outside’. replies were:

In our heart.
Every Where.
Inside us. etc., etc.,

Purpose of this thread is to understand in accordance of Quran and Hadith to know where is the 'Only One ‘True God’.

Please share your views/discuss.

Whoever said in what is He, held that He is contained; and whoever said on what is He held He is not on something else. He is a Being but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation.

Nahjul-Blagha Sermon 1

[shardmanny]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

@sharaabee

Why do I have to pick one of either science or a religious basket? It's not always Science vs Religion. You are just trapped in the religious vs atheist zone.

normally one wouldnt have to pick between science, and intelligence but since youve stated you wish to follow 'proven science' but are unable to reflect this in your views i urge you to pick since there is a contradiction in your view already

your inability to deny God and at the same time add to the mix atributes such as designer/controller (which are advanced 'mumbojumbo' in your language, and form part of a religious view on deity) leaves me to conclude you are not able to coherently gather your thoughts on the subject.

look here is what i present to you: i say every object (inc lifeforms, empty spaces, water, soil, heat, cold) is proof of a Creator who has no beginning

[khoji]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

@aqeel123

For a Non Religious / Atheist you are seen far too often in Religion forum. Religion does interest you more than you think it does.

Some people enjoy pi**ing off others.

[Bigboi]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

the stupid thing is, he has not spend time with Religions at all. Just mock, nothing is coming. I think he is desperate, we need to help him? How can we? Praying is the best thing!

I too say that Allah is everywhere. What does near mean? "Tell my servants that I'm near" This is why the Holy Prophet (saw) had been called Mad and Deluded. In a positive way. You become like "Love for all, Hatred for none". Not like divide & rule. God is for everyone, when we realize this, balle balle...

The only one True God is in you and me.

[The_Jinx]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

@sharaabee

Tu jahan bakvaas kar main paunch jaunga. :d

Respect and practice some manners, sharaabee bro. Didn't you learn about or believe in morality, respect and mannerism?

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

@sharaabee

Tu jahan bakvaas kar main paunch jaunga. :d

WoW! sounds like u give importance to my saying. Good :k: oky now my next bakvaas is ‘you said you read many religious book. I want to know why u read?’

[shardmanny]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

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The only one True God is in you and me.
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at first glance this seemed like a difficult one to counter but on further analysis this claim is hollow due to lack of evidence. to say we are deity or deity is within us has no specific evidence. where-as making the simpler statement of a Deity with no beginning has evidence.

what do others think?

[Ma_Mooli]

@sharaabee

Your unecessary condescending tone does not help my motivation to sensibly explain my thoughts to you. I'll try one last time.

I believe what can be proven by modern scientific methods. Faith is not enough. Neither is the mumbojumbo "evidence" that some religious folks try to pass off as evidence. As clearly mentioned in my post, i am not an all out atheist drnying any possibility of there being some sort of a creator/designer/controlle.

My bigger problem is the pack of abrahamic, hindu, greek, african etc gods for which thrre is no specific evidence of. Just their existence that is. Forget the fairytale stories, guidelines etc.

You are contradicting yourself..either you believe only what can be proven by 'modern scientific evidence', or you believe in a designer/controller... because science has not got round to proving that yet and hence your belief in a controller is what you would call faith...or mumbo jumbo even.

IMO modern science has immense difficulties In proving wether aliens exist or not, let a alone prove Gods existance. My life is too short to sit around waiting for them to prove the obvious, hence i am not interested in risking my life over these modern scientist!

[The_Jinx]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

@khoji

Some people enjoy pi**ing off others.

The very fact that he liked your post on "enjoying pi**ing off others" is a clear evidence of lack of morality. sheesh.

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

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*Ash'ari Aqeedah
* 1.1h He is settled on His Throne and has absolute control over His Kingdom

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One was explaining it with reference from Qur'an don't remember exactly.

[shardmanny]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

You are contradicting yourself..either you believe only what can be proven by 'modern scientific evidence', or you believe in a designer/controller... because science has not got round to proving that yet and hence your belief in a controller is what you would call faith...or mumbo jumbo even.

IMO modern science has immense difficulties In proving wether aliens exist or not, let a alone prove Gods existance. My life is too short to sit around waiting for them to prove the obvious, hence i am not interested in risking my life over these modern scientist!

this is most likely taken from my comments if it is youve misunderstood, judging by your lastline. risking life (or afterlife), by not believing in God, was not implied by myself for the context under discussion.

my main reason for pointing this out is for the benefit of sharabee ie if he understood what i said and what you said he may think your addition is endorsed by myself, which it is not. its kinda important for me to distance myself from that belief at said stage and join with it through islamic Aqaid

[psyah]

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

@shardmanny

at first glance this seemed like a difficult one to counter but on further analysis this claim is hollow due to lack of evidence. to say we are deity or deity is within us has no specific evidence. where-as making the simpler statement of a Deity with no beginning has evidence.

what do others think?

Peace shardmanny

Even this statement “God is within us” has evidence, but it is all a matter of how we interpret the evidence that determines how we take it.

Notice how the part where it states ( by Our Knowledge ) this is an interpretation that is deemed necessary to add after “We are nearer to Him than his jugular”.

[Ma_Mooli]

Shardmanny: i'm not quite sure what you mean, when my post was addressed to shrabee?

[Bigboi]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

at first glance this seemed like a difficult one to counter but on further analysis this claim is hollow due to lack of evidence. to say we are deity or deity is within us has no specific evidence. where-as making the simpler statement of a Deity with no beginning has evidence.

what do others think?

In fact it was a difficult one to counter, in fact not even a good counter, but the views you have collected in your lifetime persuaded you to give it a chance and present the "you have given no evidence" sentence. I have given you evidence. God has given you evidence. He has sent down the Holy Quran...Read it. I invite you to read it.

Allah says in the Holy Qur'an he is the reason of all what the Universe has in it.

Allah said to Hadhrat Isa (as) "You are from me and I'm from you"...

Why did people say about Muhammad (saw)?

"If you want to see a living being respresenting God, look at Muhammad (saw)

Subhan'Allah...

There is a verse in the Holy Qur'an saying "and when you swore allegiance to the Messenger of Allah placing your hands on his hands, you placed your hands on Allah's hands"

I love it :)

[shardmanny]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

bigboi:
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Allah said to Hadhrat Isa (as) "You are from me and I'm from you"...

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what verse is it?

it does seem to indicate to you having a good point i will admit it if i was wrong, and i will admit to the extent i wrong too. you'll love it more

[shardmanny]

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

@psyah

Peace shardmanny

Even this statement “God is within us” has evidence, but it is all a matter of how we interpret the evidence that determines how we take it.

Notice how the part where it states ( by Our Knowledge ) this is an interpretation that is deemed necessary to add after “We are nearer to Him than his jugular”.

wa alaikum salam

it is a major part of my belief that Allah SWT is closer to myself than i am, and it makes perfect sense and this has alot of evidence for the believers including (with the permission of Allah) myself. my personal belief here comes from islamic aqaid and spirituality
however this belief is not as strong evidentially, imo. a disbeliever can not come near it due to being a disbeliever. ie he who doesnt believe in God sure doesnt believe in the nearness of god more then oneself.

my initial comment was aimed at the theory that God divided himself, or we contain divinity, or we are God. as it could be presented as a contender against God created us and is seperate from us (which is my belief).

at the time islamic proofs were not being used to refute or support as the subject was being contended by believers and disbelievers. however now we can discuss to include islam and improve ourselves. would you put ‘by knowledge or by His knowledge’ in this statement: The only one True God is in you and me. ?

[psyah]

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

Peace shardmanny

Well it all boils down to the various dichotomies “alleged” ones that is … They are called tensions in reality … So how can Allah (SWT) Be One, yet also Be Infinite?
How can Allah (SWT) Be over The Throne, yet nearer than our jugular veins?
How can there be Qadr yet there also be free will?
Revelation vs Reason

This is th e subject of …

**Tanzih vs Tashbih
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**​Unlike vs Similitude

Go to 22 min and listen for a while about 10 to 20mins

**So to answer your question, I would not take any reference of nearness to be as though it were physically inside us, but rather relating to our essence. The human essence can be hinted on when we consider dreams … We are in them, yet our bodies are not part of them … We tend to have other vessels in our dreams that carry our essence … The verses of nearness pertain to this essence and hence I am forced to conclude that it is a way for us to understand His closeness, in terms of intimacy with us and our needs as His creation.

[psyah]

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

Interesting article

The American Muslim (TAM)

[Bigboi]

Re: Where is the Only One 'True God'?

@shardmanny

bigboi: what verse is it?

it does seem to indicate to you having a good point i will admit it if i was wrong, and i will admit to the extent i wrong too. you'll love it more

as far as I know this is not written in the Holy Qur'an...

I will look after it....