Where is the Only One 'True God'?

psyah · May 29, 2012, 12:17pm

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

You will not believe in either God being everywhere or him being in 4th heaven. Why? because.. you know god says hes everywhere.. but at the same time you have to make room for the belief of Jesus a.s being taken up to God and hes there somewhere on 4th heaven.

I’m a believer and follower of Qur’an and quran says :
*2:115 : To Allah belong the East and the West; so withersoever you turn, there will be the face of Allah. Surely, Allah is Bountiful, All- Knowing
50:16 And assuredly, We have created man and We know what his physical self whispers to him, and We are nearer to him than even his jugular vein
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Then in another verse, Allah says that hes the noor of the heavens and the earth.

what is one single verse that contradicts the belief of Allah being everywhere?

What I said was quite simple to understand. I dont understand why you take whatever i say as an attack to your beliefs. Did i say something which you do not believe? I was simply pointing to you what your beliefs are.. if they’re not your beliefs then please let me know where i’m wrong. I say it again.. orthodox muslims say that jesus a.s was taken up to 4th heaven. they also believe muhammad pbuh was taken to heaven and there was a literal point beyond which gabriel was not allowed to go. Muhammad pbuh passsed that sidra tul muntaha point and met God and saw prophets. What am i saying wrong here ? The conclusion that i’m arriving from these beliefs is this : 1) God is not everywhere. 2) God is beyond the point of sidra tul muntaha. 3) God is in 4th heaven. The question is to you. How do you reconcile the verses of Quran where on one side allah says hes everywhere, and on the other side according to your belief, he’s on 4th heaven and/or beyond the point of sidra tul muntaha.

ps: i do not need to read ash’ari or Maturidi books. My beliefs are all from Quran. Muslim’s beliefs are formed from Quran, ahadith and sunnah alone. I give those more importance than any other book. Thanks.

Peace Mr. Popat

I do not believe God is everywhere and I do not believe God is somewhere … I do however say that physical space cannot be used to define “where God is” - For us it is simply important to know “That He is” … otherwise we are forced to utilise tashbih in such terms - when it is said "Wherever you turn the Face of Allah will be there, is a metaphor for His Majesty through His Creation - it is about His Immanence … whereas when it is said “He is above the Throne” which it does say in the Qur’an … it is again interpreted to be how exclusive He is an unlike His Creation. This tension will always be there … as it is there for other aspects too … which are more about Him in terms of Tanvih.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/557822-where-is-the-only-one-true-god.html#post8894850

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/557822-where-is-the-only-one-true-god.html#post8894859

The second link shows you all the references that can lead to the other conclusion … but we are people of the WHOLE QUR’AN and the WHOLE SUNNAH we don’t pick and choose and hence we are forced to make assessments when both types of seemingly paradoxial or conflicting concepts arise …

We believe that Allah (SWT) did “Istawa ala’Arsh” (Rose above the heavens) in a manner that suited Himself … which is unlike we would in any way rise to something.