where is the middle road?

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If you condemn massacre, people label you as a Mullah supporter. Why is it so. Now my post of “Butcher of Lal Mosque” has been locked because the administration like ehsan and zuberi are in favor of operation.

If someone picks up my previous posts, i have never agreed to these Mullahs in their stupid argumentation. But please, this savagery was condemnable. A government is not allowed to kill people at will. What were the rules of engagement of this Karrar company of Zarrar Battalion who went inside the mosque. Kill whom so ever you see.

Ghazi rasheed might have been a rebel but he had 22 bullet injuries with 12 bullets from point blank range.

Why cannot i find people on this forum against Maulvies but not thirst of their blood. I think if Maulvies are sending suicide bombers, they are showing them to be savage. And if we claim to be civilized, then we need to demand their trials in court with due process, not their blood. Otherwise there is no difference between them and us. If both are blood thirsty, both are faces of the same coin.

It is my request that we need to adopt the middle road, the civilized road and condemn actions of lal mosque but condemn this savagery as well.

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I condemn massacre of innocents. But when it comes to Terrorists, I don't condemn it. Infact I think it was a long time coming. Its like getting rid of a rat infestation. People don't cry when Rats die, or do they?

How was this savage?

Didn't the Terrorists in the Red Mosque want to die? After 6 months of being holed up in there. And endless negotiations. I mean what savagery was there?

Did we use F-16 and completely obliterate the Red Mosque? We send in SSG so that they can rescue the hostages and save innocent lives.

Please come back to reality. If Pakistan wanted, we could have completely destroyed the Red Mosque and everyone in it by dropping a couple of Bunker Buster Bombs on it from our F-16's. The fact that we lost 11 Brave Soldiers and continued to negotiate with these terrorists so that people can escape completely negates your point.

To Disarm the terrorists inside the mosque. Fire when fired upon. And the safety and security of innocents in the Mosque.

He was caught in a crossfire between his Terrorist bodyguards and the SSG and thus he had 22 bullet injuries.

And now that Ghazi brother who escpaed in a Burka is going to get a trial. How can we put people on trial when we can't arrest them?

When we go to arrest them they fire on us and thus we have to take this action.

There is indeed a major difference. Just read my responses.

Lets condemn the Lal Mosque but when the terrorists refuse then they deserve their fate.

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The middle road is where one can drive a tank on top of mullahs

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Hahaha, pity on your stupid minds.

I think the responses of Mercenry2k and kehkashan were best laughable but not answerable. anyone else with an answer?

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Why don't you challenge us instead of making a g*****ose statement like that which just shows your lack of intellect instead of pointing out specifics

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are you ready to listen? Have a healthy debate and ready to change your view if you feel you were wrong? In that case i might continue but your reply was not reflective of that?

I have made no g*****ose statement and never claimed intellect, but i do not want to argue with a wall

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Bring it man

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You're not gonna get a civilized answer from most people......stay strong

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I already destroyed all his points.....The only civilized answer you want are the ones that support your views.

That aint gonna happen.

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mercernary2k gave you a point-by-point response to your original post - none of which attacked you personally or made fun of you. You may not agree with this response, but I don't see why you'd it consider laughable --- the only one being childish here is you.

And then you have the audacity to demand a civilized response? The only thing you guys deserve is kehkeshan in a Tank, a match-up preferably to be held on Constitution Avenue!

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Not necessarily......flame of life is quite civilized even though he's against mullahs. He hardly use any abusive words.

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Don't go around throwing unsubstantiated allegations. I did not lock your thread and I did ask you to get in touch with the mod who locked it, so get a life. secondly you have freedom to express your views on this site, try making anti taleban speech in Bajour and you will be 6 feet under in less than 3 minutes. Tolerance is not one of their virtue, not that they have any. So chill and get your facts right.

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Good views.

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merc, plz no personal attacks. _ Ehsan

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MKF, when pro-mullahs dont stop their pals from using derogatory words for teh anti-mullah crowd such as 'secular degenerates' or 'mod muslims' (and then clarifyign that a mod muslim is one who drinks and what nots), and whenw e see pro-mullah people declare thatthe other person's mother or sister is a prostitute etc..then I find it a little amusing when they then come and are bent out of shape about some people using bad words for some distant mullahs in the news orthe political-mullahs.

I see religious people (or so they tell us they are) use terms like lannat-allah for some sahaba, we see them declare others kaffir, murtid, mushrik (even if they themselves are admitted murtids) etc. so I guess its okay for some and not for others? we see the pro-mulla ppl call musharraf busharraf, claim he is qadiyani, call names to his wife,a nd to him. and the other pro-mullahs stay quiet and dont tell them that its wrong. yet when words are used against ghazi or fazl etc. they complain.

I respect ulema and scholars. I may not agree with the, I may find some of their stances ridiculous and out of synch with the real world but I respect them nonetheless. I get a little confused when the 'secular degenerates' get blasted for calling any aalim or mullah or the politio-religious-thugs something, yet I see that the pro-mullah crowd go after scholasr they dont agree with in a viciousness that is not seen anywhere else, go back and read threads about scholars from al-azhar, or read current threads about ghamidi.

I dont thirst for the blood of maulvis, I demand justice. I dont see promullah ppl for teh most part even condemn the violent protests by mullahs, burnign down KFCs and public property.

So from what I see the promullah crowd needs to sort out its act too.

I have no issue with religious people.

but this mullah vs non mullah debate does not mean that we ignore the real issues that many supposedly religious people are fanning.

1) can we justify teaching hatred in a madrissa?
2) can we justify burning public and private property?
3) can we justify encroaching on public or private property?
4) can we justify breaing sign boards ripping posters attacking businesses?

each time soemthing happens, there are statements liek oh well so and so also burnt down shops during their protest, oh yeah well so and so also takes over land. People simply do not come out and say yes this is wrong and ppl behind it need to face the music for that (sorry by music i meant law, i know music is haram for some)

So, in essence the ppl who are supposedly preaching islam can do everything that is wrong just because others are doing it as well?

In the end no one wants mullah blood. justice needs to be served. Thise escaping from facing justice need to be pursued, if they choose to attack the law enforcement, then they need to be attacked back. this is how it is.

extremism is a problem that needs to be tackled head on. This was one of the few times in the recent history where it was tackled head on. ghazi had an opportunity until the last minute to unconditionally surrender. He did not, and he paid for it.

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yaar merc2k, no need for personal insults here, can ya please edit your post before i have to do it, cuz then my effort comes with a price dhamki

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^^ sorry yaar

I thought of that insult and I couldn't resist typing it...

I bet you laughed when you read it :)

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nope

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^^ acha, khayr

theek

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well, they were humans and not proven guilty in a court of law. opinions do not matter in life and death

Because almost 700 people lost their lives and no hostages were found. what was the operation for other than what you are telling, killing the rats?

Every one is ready to die one day, but off course you just cannot kill all using brute force. I do not think that if they were ready to die, govt did ehsan and killed them.

where were the hostages? where are their interviews and their feelings of being freed. All hoax.

Exactly, we would never have lost these brave soldiers if we have not used such high handed tactics. That is my point. Using F-16 was baseless as government was claiming that it is rescuing hostages which were infact none.

Okay, i buy that. But ROE are longer than that. how you open fire, which body part to be shot first etc etc.

Hmm. 12 from point blank range. This is execution man

Okay. You did not put him on trial once you arrested him last time and left him. This is selective application of rule of law. anyway lets see what happens next.

SSG never goes to arrest people. It only goes in case of hostage rescue and there were no hostages.

Well that is your thought and i cannot argue any more on this thing. I would like to see the evidences of all foreigners and proclaimed offenders details

Okay, they got their fate but you just cannot kill every person in the country who disagrees to you. a line has to be drawn.