where is the leader who can guide muslim moderates ?
I understand and accept that there are many moderates among British Muslims, but I want to know why Britain gets so pitifully little to show for their moderation.
When a nation, a race, a political movement, a group of workers, the followers of a religion have legitimate grievances, there generally arises amongst them a champion who can command respect for his advocacy of peace, his willingness to fight without weapons and to win by moral authority. There may be many such grievances for Muslims in Britain, and in the West, but we are still waiting for the Gandhi or the Martin Luther King to give them the right voice http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/07/09/do09.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2005/07/09/ixopinion.html
^ wat the day that will be when there will be a non volent gandhi in muslims and all muslism saying "hey Ram"along with him and start chanting “raghupati raghav raja ram patit pavan sita ram”rolleyes:
so sad…please no fatality http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=187548 I had a dream
All Muslims together Whatever their differences Shias, Sunnis, Wahabbis, Sufis Arabs, Hindustanis, Indonesians Blacks and Whites All together In peace and harmony Stop blaming West for poverty Africa is poorer but not all Muslims Smile to your neighbour Whoever he is
**Feel happy ** However harsh your life is
**Help the one ** Who is ever more in need than you Learn and educate yourself And all your women Work harder than lazy westerners Spread your wealth in charity Make the world a better place Say in the end ‘I am Muslim’ Let all kafirs wonder How we can still be so nice… Rule the world without spilling blood!
I agree with ak47 that there will be no Ghandi figure in Islam; and if one emerges I would probably oppose him.
Sheikh Yousaf Al-Qaradawi is probably the closest you'll get. Even then, he correctly permits the use of armed force in self-defence, such as in the case of Palestine and Iraq where land is being occupied.
In Islam, from the example of the Prophet and clear, explicit statements in our scriptures, the use of armed force in self defence is not merely permitted but encouraged and rewarded by our Creator.
Islam is not a religion that suggests pacifism can conquer all - it's more realistic than that. If you are attacked, it is your God given duty to fight until the attacks stop.
The problem right now is people trying to use and abuse this limited licence for their own political goals.
If you are attacked, it is your God given duty to fight until the attacks stop.
people are so frightened by me, they don't dare to attack me!that's what i was suggesting to any Muslim...be so respectable and powerful that others won't anymore find courage to attack you! then no need for fight! peace!
Any religion that finds justification for violence to the point that it condones it is simply wrong. furthermore, a religion that cannot to this day clearly identify and demarcate what is the right fight and what is the wrong fight with the aforementioned penchant for violence, needs to be revised. God got it wrong...he needs a checkup
bad bird…don’t sing for doom before our twilight come as our light might lie within us all instead of only one prominent guide, social equality is as important in islam as social inequity amongst hindus:D so we all at our personal level have to take the peace step in order to improve the condition of all
Very true. Weak countries have already been preyed on by the strong. Be it Belgium or Holland being attacked by the Nazis, or Mexico being invaded by the USA in 1848, or Grenada being invaded by the USA, or Iraq being invaded by the USA, the pattern is clear to see.
Problem is an understatement That’s why a religoin should not encourage or reward acts of violence. The ignorant cannot distinguish what is righteous and what is not or what is self defense and what is not. There are only two option to explain it - either the religion is less than perfect or the literal, fundamentalist view of it that has not changed is wrong.
As Islam promotes learning and being knowledgeable, there shouldn’t be “ignorant” Muslims…so no risks to misunderstand any understatement…sure this is utopian, but fighting ignorance is the biggest task we have to face
Seminole you are wrong on both accounts. My how the world has forgotten the crusade and genocide committed by white supremacist...and in today's world they dont use religion but economy/democracy/freedom as an excuse to kill and destroy other countries. When those countries have no other way to fight back (because militarily they cannot) we label the fighters as terrorists. works to our advantage...
Kaleem, we are talking about Islam encouraging and rewarding people for self defense and how that applies to the modern radical Islamic movement. You are talking about Christian interpretation of scripture from over 1000 years ago and modern countries using secular arguments for foreign policy. Apples and oranges.
Every form of belief or ideology, be it religious or political, has the capacity to be manipulated and used to justify acts of violence for political goals.
Bhuddism: Normally pacisift, but has been used by bhuddist extremists in Sri Lanka for pogroms against Tamils to diminish Tamil political power
Hinduism: Historically pacifist, but hugely militant hinduism has risen over the past 2 centuries and the results can be seen in Gujarat
Christianity: I can’t really say it was historically pacifist at all, but you get ugly groups like the Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda who are abusing the name of Christianiaty to try and seize power.
Non-religious ideologies:
Communism in the Karl Marx sense was relatively pacifist. But Russia and China took it to levels of extreme violence.
Democracy: In the name of spreading the usually-peaceful democracy (after the WMDs weren’t found), democratic extremists like George Bush perpetuated an occupation that has killed so many innocent people that the forces under his direct command do not keep a body count.
Seminole, my point is we all fight for what we believe is just. Maybe secular values are just for the western world and Islamic to the middle east. What is the difference, they both cause destruction?
islam does not compromise with non islam there ain’t gonna be no ghandi figure.
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no checkup for GOD he is eternal and perfect…this is man undertanding of god that need checkup!!!