Where is the condemnation by non-Muslims?

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What sort of people are you, do you only care about non-Muslims? The US is responsible for so much murder and mayhem in Iraq, yet the non_Muslims don’t even whisper that this genocide is wrong.

The first step is to admit you too have blood on your hands!

**AP: Thousands of Iraqis Estimated Killed **

BAGHDAD, Iraq - At Sheik Omar Clinic, a big book records 10,363 violent deaths in Baghdad and nearby towns since the war began last year — deaths caused by car bombs, clashes between Iraqis and coalition forces, mortar attacks, revenge killings and robberies

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Come on Thap, you don’t really expect a condemnation of these Iraqi deaths. As the great leader Rumsfeld once said, its “collateral” damage. Only non muslim lives are to be mourned and their deaths condemned. I thought you would have known that by now. :rolleyes:

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Thap you know and the muslims know.

the non muslims only open there mouths when the non muslims get killed.

the hypocrisy is clear cut and for everybody to see they amerikkans for example kill thousands in Iraq then say its liberation they abuse thousands in prisons and say this is democracy in action.

Kuffar is kuffar end of the day and kufr means to hide the truth!

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OG if i remember you said it was horrible, dispicable and the like that people didnt condemn such actions. Yet all around we did. Now what do you do? Stay silent.

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and since these american child killers can’t enter fallujah as they were beaten, they have resumed to doing what they do best, bombing cities from thousands of feet above.

Offensive in northern Iraqi town

Women and children were pulled from the rubble of the Falluja strike
US and Iraqi forces have launched an offensive to drive insurgents out of the northern Iraqi town of Talafar, the US military has said.
Hospital sources say at least 17 people have been killed in the fighting and 51 more wounded.

The operation follows clashes last week in the town, described by US military as “a hotbed of militant activity”.

In Falluja, west of Baghdad, US troops fired missiles at alleged militant sites, killing at least seven people.

A statement from the US military said the attack had been on a site used by supporters of the Jordanian militant, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who the Americans say is an important member of al-Qaeda.

However, several women and children were among the dead and wounded pulled from the rubble, doctors said.

The US military has been fighting insurgents in the town for several days, since a car bomb killed seven marines on Monday.

‘Civilians targeted’

The BBC’s Caroline Hawley in Baghdad says Falluja and Talafar are among several towns in Iraq that are now in rebel hands.

Joint US and Iraqi forces began a seven-hour bombardment of Talafar at 0200 local time (2200 GMT Wednesday).

Clashes were also reported in two neighbourhoods of the town, situated more than 400 km north of Baghdad. Fighting is said to be continuing.

“The operation comes after MNF [multinational forces] and Iraqi security forces were repeatedly attacked by a large terrorist element that has displaced local Iraqi security forces throughout recent weeks,” a statement by the US military, quoted by Reuter news agency, said.

At least nine people died last week and dozens were wounded after joint operations to destroy an alleged militant cell.

A US helicopter was brought down injuring two crew.

According to US military officials, Talafar had become a haven for militants crossing into Iraq from the nearby border with Syria.

Attacks by militants over the last weeks had targeted civilians as well as security forces, the US military adds.

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As a non-Muslim, I condemn the deaths caused by car bombs, clashes between Iraqis and coalition forces, mortar attacks, revenge killings, and robberies.

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Just to keep the record straight, when President Bush decided to invade Iraq, the most ferocious protests were arranged in all non-Muslim countries. Millions and millions of people literally marched, in Sydney, London, Milan, Athens, Spain, Frankfort and New Delhi. In addition, these marches were marked historical by all major newspapers across the globe. . Again to keep the record straight, all major Muslim countries in general and Arab countries in particular were simply quite. Yes sir, even masses of those Muslim countries decided to shut up on such a crucial moment of our history. Cairo, Damascus and Lahore were relatively peaceful and silent when every major European capital was flooded by ‘non-Muslims’ to protest USA invasion of Iraq. Don’t believe me? How about if you do your own search for Pakistani and Arab newspapers for those dates (from December 2002 to May 2003) and you will find tons of articles by Pakistani and Arab scholars expressing their disgust over Muslim’s quite behavior about Iraq war.

(Not to mention the reaction of Greeks when they heard of Powel’s decision to come to Olympics ending ceremony. The protested so ferociously that Mr. Powel had to cancel his tour to take care of some “urgent” business in Washington.)

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Ahh yes, do nothing at all if action might cause some deaths even if such actions prevent many deaths, is this your philosophy Thap? It seems that this philosophy of yours is being followed in Sudan as well.

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*Originally posted by phoenixdesi: *
Just to keep the record straight, when President Bush decided to invade Iraq, the most ferocious protests were arranged in all non-Muslim countries. Millions and millions of people literally marched, in Sydney, London, Milan, Athens, Spain, Frankfort and New Delhi. In addition, these marches were marked historical by all major newspapers across the globe. . Again to keep the record straight, all major Muslim countries in general and Arab countries in particular were simply quite. Yes sir, even masses of those Muslim countries decided to shut up on such a crucial moment of our history. Cairo, Damascus and Lahore were relatively peaceful and silent when every major European capital was flooded by ‘non-Muslims’ to protest USA invasion of Iraq. Don’t believe me? How about if you do your own search for Pakistani and Arab newspapers for those dates (from December 2002 to May 2003) and you will find tons of articles by Pakistani and Arab scholars expressing their disgust over Muslim’s quite behavior about Iraq war.

(Not to mention the reaction of Greeks when they heard of Powel’s decision to come to Olympics ending ceremony. The protested so ferociously that Mr. Powel had to cancel his tour to take care of some “urgent” business in Washington.)
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Yes they did not come out on the streets in the muslim countries but the disgust and anger at what was happening was there for all to see. On the other hand the polls in the US and other western countries showed overwhelming support for the war. The fact still remains that not once has the american administration apologised for the thousand upon thosuand's of civilinas killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Why are they and the people of those country quiet?

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I abhore the deaths of Muslims and Non-Muslims alike, particularly the long suffering Iraqis.

That does not mean that I assign blame to the US, soley and completely to the US as you would imply in this thread.

As I have stated many times, Muslim blood is the cheapest when it is on the hands of other Muslims. Westerners are held to account in all forms and fashions. Press exposes, outcries from Human Rights organizations, the Arab press, and internal trials. But the slaughter of Muslims by Muslims gets a resounding yawn....

But the vast majority of the current casualties are Muslim induced. Street bombings, car bombings, mortar attacks, kidnappings, assasinations, crime, the majority of these deaths are the result of Iraqi initiated violence, or just plain crime. It's a damn shame, and there is no one who is doing anything to combat it other than the US and some allies. If Muslim countries REALLY cared about stopping the violence, they would help, intervene, become a postive influence, not a negative one. The Iraqis are just expendable bodies to those who would like to see the US authority in the world damaged. Does anybody really think that if the US left, that things would not be exponentially worse? Iraq without some stability would make Darfur look like a garden spot. Infact, there is nothing I would like better than to leave. You say the word, and assume responsibility for your decision, and I would be enormously happy.

Let's face it, when Saddam fell, and at some point he would have, all of what you are seeing today would have been unleashed anyway. Ethnic strife, rebellion against authority, power grabs, radical Islamists, they still all would have decended into the mix.

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Thanks Phoenixdesi for making a correct point, otherwise this thread was ending as zero knoledge of world affairs.

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*Originally posted by mawarid: *
Yes they did not come out on the streets in the muslim countries but the disgust and anger at what was happening was there for all to see. On the other hand the polls in the US and other western countries showed overwhelming support for the war.
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Correction. Only polls in the US showed support for attack on Iraq prior to the start of war, and that was attributed to the pre-war claims made by the US Administration that Iraq is somehow involved in the WTC attacks that killed 3,000 Americans; and that, if left alone, Iraq will be responsible for nuclear attack inside the US. Both these claims have since been severely discredited. Pre-war polls in other western countries (in Europe) were mostly against the war, and still remain against the war.

Its surprising why the muslims in muslim countries only showed 'disgust and anger' on their faces, but made no effort to show solidarity with their muslim brothers and sisters in Iraq by demonstrating against the war in front of the whole world (media).

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^BBC NEWS | Middle East | Pakistan heads anti-war protests

Pakistan heads anti-war protests

Tens of thousands of Pakistanis have filled the streets of Karachi to protest against possible military conflict in Iraq, as anti-war protests continued across the globe.
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What short memories people have and self-delusion seems to be the flavour of the site these days.

Good luck :wink:

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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
Does anybody really think that if the US left, that things would not be exponentially worse?

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Lets see. If there were no American forces there goes your mortar attacks on US bases/troops, there goes US Marines dying in "accidents", there goes your choppers getting shot down, there goes the suicider bombers trying to kill foreign troops....

I don't know about you but that certainly sounds a lot better. Ofcourse there will still be violence as they'll probably start fighting amongst themselves but I doubt it would be to the extent of what is going on today. If not for Iraqis themselves, certainly for the US soldiers stranded there there counting off the days to go back home.

I hope you are not under the impression that all those casualties suffered by the US Army are just for the sake of the Iraqi people and all those soldiers are risking life and limb out of the goodness of their hearts :D.

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Correction. Only polls in the US showed support for attack on Iraq prior to the start of war, and that was attributed to the pre-war claims made by the US Administration that Iraq is somehow involved in the WTC attacks that killed 3,000 Americans; and that, if left alone, Iraq will be responsible for nuclear attack inside the US. Both these claims have since been severely discredited. Pre-war polls in other western countries (in Europe) were mostly against the war, and still remain against the war.

Its surprising why the muslims in muslim countries only showed 'disgust and anger' on their faces, but made no effort to show solidarity with their muslim brothers and sisters in Iraq by demonstrating against the war in front of the whole world (media).
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Correction. The majority in UK supported the war once it started. It was over 60%. Teh muslims did come out and demonstrate against the war. Guess what CNN and other western media did not have the time to cover them.

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People in Holland, Poland, Romania, Italy supported the war in Iraq. The UK as mentioned above. Portugal as well. So what do you have left? France Germany and Spain. Wow we can really count on those guys cant we?

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I remember there were protests in Morocco (half or one million turned out here I remember) and Turkey as well.

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^ and Malaysia

Check back this old thread.

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92130&highlight=antiwar

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*Originally posted by phoenixdesi: *
Just to keep the record straight, when President Bush decided to invade Iraq, the most ferocious protests were arranged in all non-Muslim countries.
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As far as London is concerned the rally constituted of a large number of Gay and Lesbian activists, hippies, and anyone who had an axe to grind with the government.
Yes! A large number of British Muslims were there too.

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*Originally posted by underthecross: *
As far as London is concerned the rally constituted of a large number of Gay and Lesbian activists, hippies, and anyone who had an axe to grind with the government.
Yes! A large number of British Muslims were there too.
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So are you saying that the majority of London were pro Bomb Iraq and the only people who showed up to protest were really just out there to have a blast?