Abu Huraira (ra) reports that Rasulullah (saw) said:
“Armies carrying black flags will come from Khurasan, no power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem) where they will erect their flags”
This paper I found, a good read, thought I’d share..
Where is Khurasan? Researching End Times | Muhabbat ul Deen
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Khorassan is northeastern Iran and goes little bit into west Afghanistan. I don't know of any Khorassan army that traveled all the way to Jerusalam unless you are referring to the Persian army fighting its way into Jerusalem in 614 AD. Also, Talibans do not hail from Khorassan.
P.S. can't check the link @ work.
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There will be an army in the** future**. Read it after..
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khorosan is what the iranians and tajik of afghanistan consider their glorious empire of the past. not much to do with the pashtoons as the article is trying to sell. also lol @ some of the stuff on there.
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^ Exactly! Most Talibans are of Pashtun descent.
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ghaznavids of ghazni are celebrated khorasanis, ghazni is in eastern afghanistan
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my parents gaon/village is called Khura....hmm.....
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Historically, Khurasan does include north-eastern Iran, southern Afghanistan, most of Baluchistan (both Sistan-Baluchistan and Pakistani side of Baluchistan and western side of NWFP (mostly upto the River Indus)...
Pakistan DOES have a role to play, having said that… the current situation is a bit different….people who call themselves Taliban in Pakistan and Taliban in Afghanistan are completely different groups with nothing much in common except their name. The ones on Pakistan side, are mostly thugs and old time robbers, though some old-freedom fighters do exist in this area, but they having a different perspective of today’s war, they don’t operate inside Pakistan at all, until and unless pushed very hard from within Pakistan.
The ones on the other end, in Afghanistan, are again not under a single command. Collectively calling them Taliban is misleading and confusing. There are literally 100s of different groups operating, Talibans are just one of them...
I’ve not read the article at the link you posted and what I’ve written above, I cannot “very easily” give you references to back it, but you will yourself understand all this if you start following events more closely and do listen to analysts other than US/UK/India and NATO allies, do a quick research in history, listen to the people who LIVED there, spent their lives in that area, worked there. Just listening to and reading someone sitting in a western capital or Delhi, who really does not have a real insight, and has a hostile intention for and concept about Islam, simply screws up everything...
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people who call themselves Taliban in Pakistan and Taliban in Afghanistan are completely different groups with nothing much in common except their name. The ones on Pakistan side, are mostly thugs and old time robbers, though some old-freedom fighters
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this is a pro pak army conspiracy theory so pak army can help out foreign forces in afghanistan without hinderance
dont forget the mehsuds were fighting for pakistan before pak army was even made
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^ what if we say denying this is anti-pakistan conspiracy theory so enemies of Pakistan and Islam can easily generalize everyone as Taliban, put a label of terrorists on them, and get a license to kill???
do you really believe that all those thousands of fighters on the western side of the border and 100s of them on the eastern side are all one? and they are working under the same command? and they work so efficiently under one command that not even a superpower like America and NATO jointly could do any harm to them? do you always ignore the different point of view coming from different groups? do you only believe America and their apologists say or really care to understand the scenario yourself after looking at many different sides of the story, not just swallowing whatever is shoved down our throat?
they are different, they have different leaders, different roles, different target, even different sects, different intentions, some good some bad. and when we say "good" it doesn't always have to mean "good for America" every stakeholders in the scenario have their own strategy and they have right to have their own strategy, we don't necessarily have to look at everything from our enemies perspective.
We Pakistanis are the biggest stakeholders after Afghanistan, in all this mess, and "all" of our interests do not necessarily have to always align with those of America, except quite a few...
We really understand very well that all of you bashing Pakistan and Pakistan Army and Islam in different threads - not only in this forum, but all over this board are mostly indians, even some Pakistanis with ABCD mentality, and not to forge those !@#$@!# group, you know what i mean...
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This video link can help you:
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Aceones good reply man :k:
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There still is confusion as to what pakistani TTP affiliations are…
They are mainly salafis and Takfiris mixed up with true mujahideen and indian/CIA agents. Its a mix plate there.
Have a look at this
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Im happy there are folks like shardmanny around who assert that the taleban in afghanistan and the taleban in Pakistan are the one and the same. Great. Eliminate anyone by that label in Pakistan.
All this khorasan euphemistic nonsense has been around ever since the taleban came to power. The size of the region concerned means that rivals to power from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran claim to be those mentioned in the hadis. Nobody supposes its the Turkmenistanies though.
Nobody really goes around on horses though. Its strange that the flags and the vague geographic term is given such significance, but no mention of the fact that nobody is going around on horses.
The theory that Pathans are jewish has been around for a while, pushed by jewsthemselves, but they dropped it after it couldnt be verified through DNA analysis:
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Who cares.. like all good soldiers know.. dont worry about how to find the army.. when the time comes the army will find you 
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tsk tsk
some brown sahib dude removed my posts, can you also then, remove my remaining posts or do you want me to repost my counter arguements?
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^Yup, get used to it. It happens to me all the time.
Just add little bit more in your reply,
If one investigate the origin of such ahadees and the opinion of Scholars of Ahadees, then either they are classified as fabricated if not weak..
These ahadees was popular in the days of Ummayads and it is still believed that the originators of such ahadees were Banu-Abbas and Shias ( who were allies against the Ummayad empire) with the aim to get the religious sympathy, support and approval for the cause of agitation against Ummayad from the masses of the main land ( and it actually worked), the Black Flag was the flag of Banu Abbas, they were strong in the province of Kharasaan and Mawa’tul’nehr… ( check any history book for that matter)… and yes they were the one who marched on horses…
Now when Ummayads were defeated by Banu-Abbas, they ( Banu-Abbas) turned against their very own ally, the Shias… so such ahadees continued… which was nothing more than a wishful thinking of a cult and now of a nation who want to do nothing and get everything…
............ If one investigate the origin of such ahadees and the opinion of Scholars of Ahadees, then either they are classified as fabricated if not weak.. .....
Well said.
Most of the "fortune telling" stories sold as ahadees are fabricated.
Old timer Christians and pagans used to build some really tall tales about "future predictions" as part of their religious practices. Shamans and fortune tellers were part of their maulvis.
And unfortunately, many Muslims fall prey to the same medieval practices when they start believing in "future predictions" and then associate such fabrications to Allah swt and his Rasool pbuh.
Just add little bit more in your reply,
If one investigate the origin of such ahadees and the opinion of Scholars of Ahadees, then either they are classified as fabricated if not weak..
These ahadees was popular in the days of Ummayads and it is still believed that the originators of such ahadees were Banu-Abbas and Shias ( who were allies against the Ummayad empire) with the aim to get the religious sympathy, support and approval for the cause of agitation against Ummayad from the masses of the main land ( and it actually worked), the Black Flag was the flag of Banu Abbas, they were strong in the province of Kharasaan and Mawa'tul'nehr... ( check any history book for that matter)... and yes they were the one who marched on horses...
Now when Ummayads were defeated by Banu-Abbas, they ( Banu-Abbas) turned against their very own ally, the Shias... so such ahadees continued... which was nothing more than a wishful thinking of a cult and now of a nation who want to do nothing and get everything...
most ahadith and history was compiled in times of abbassids we cannot pick and choose which ones are fabricated and which ones are not
abbassids are not the first muslim group to have a black flag , nor can they be the last one. So to dismiss this hadith on basis of this is coming to premature closure
But yes they did benefit from propoganda of this ahadith