This is not a repeated thread, the other thread where is God, there is volume without matter. Here I request all the Muslims brothers and sisters to have some, knowledgeable discussion.
All us know that amongst the Muslims there is a dispute regarding, Where is Allaah?
The common answers are Allaah is everywhere, the concept of Wahdat - Wajood, Unity in existence and Allaah is not there with the creation but Allaah is above the Heaven.
I respect the views of all the aforementioned answers but explanation is only valid from Quran and Sunnah.
Everything is possible in this life, u can do anything u want with just believing in it. If u really believe you can walk on water, then i assure u
that u can
BTW: whats the point of this repeated threads where discusssions have already been taken before about this topic. What is ur purpose?
Everything is possible in this life, u can do anything u want with just believing in it. If u really believe you can walk on water, then i assure u
that u can
BTW: whats the point of this repeated threads where discusssions have already been taken before about this topic. What is ur purpose?
If they are discussion done before this, I would request the mods to lock this thread.
My point is I want proofs from Quran and the Hadith. Coz if Allaah is there above the heavens then the concept of everywhere is contradicting. I want reference from Quran and the Hadith. Thats my point
My point is I want proofs from Quran and the Hadith. Coz if Allaah is there above the heavens then the concept of everywhere is contradicting.
I want reference from Quran and the Hadith. Thats my point
Br. I have always found you to be knowledgible. I do not see any conflict here. I think we try to confine Allah SWT in our thoughts as a being like us, which is why we get confused in perceiving infinite attributes of Allah SWT.
I am writing from memory but I believe it is mentioned in Surah Al-Araf, that Allah SWT created the heavens and earth in 6 days then rose Istawa on his throne above the heavens. Maybe some one can quote the exatc verse and put my crooked translation in Quranic words then.
This verse indicates that in whatever form Allah SWT exists, Allah SWT went above the heavens however we also have ahadith which mention that Allah SWT comes down to the lower heavens in the last part of night to listen to his praying and believing servants for anything they ask. As far as I have read Quran I have never found a verse which states the place of absolute (what I mean here is where Allah SWT is majority of the while, if time has any meaning to Allah SWTs existence because Allah SWT created time) existence and we should not bother about it either, it is beyond our perception. When something has no beginning or end it simply means that something is independent of time. So my own personal opinion always has been Allah SWT wherever is in a dimension which we as humans cannot experience as long as we live. We are subject to time.
If you take a closer look at history and Islamic teachings alongside with it, I think you'll realize that whenever Allah SWT help came it was through the means that Alllah SWT has created i.e. humans, angels, inanimate natural objects or natural phenomenon. I think Allah SWT knows everything about us inside or out by means of the unseen creatures Allah SWT has created.
^ Point taken. USR, but I have read a couple of things over last 1 week which is sought of disturbing, for the whole of Muslim Ummah.
I just wanted to know is this the truth, do we realize the Attributes of Allaah defined in the Quran.
Anyways with the Ayah your exact and its mentioned in 7 places in the Quran again if my memory serves me right.
This is my Conclusion Allah is on His Throne because thats what the quran says, nowhere in the quran and sunnah does it say Allah is Everywhere, and Also the Saheeh Hadith states that Allah Descends to the Lowest Heaven in The Last 3rd of The Night, Allah is Capable of Doing Anything and is The Most Powerful, He is not like any Human, So Both are Correct because both are from Quran and Sunnah and Allah can do Whatever He (SWT) wills.
What most scholars says that Allah Ta’ala physically isn’t everywhere but that’s His knowledge of knowing what’s happening everywhere.
Honestly, i don’t understand why do we even bother worrying about stuff like this and create more problem, confusions in deen.
What my understanding from these kind of questions is that: Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta’ala ordered me to obey Him and His most beloved Prophet :saw: All i know is that i’ve to worship only one God, Allah Ta’ala, and need to worry about my a’amals. According my aqeeda’h i know that Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta’ala can do anything and He knows what i’m doing and i’ve to answer for my actions. I DO NOT NEED TO WORRY about: whether Allah is everywhere(physically), how He gets down to lower heavens at night, what kind of life Prophets(Peace and blessing be upon them) have when they die and whether Prophet :saw: can hear our daus. All i should care about is whether my actions are according to deen of Allah and i’m obeying His orders and fulfilling all the obligations accroding to Quran & Sunnah. Simple is that but some of us just want to make things harder for ourselves!
If God is everywhere and He is everything. Then it would be right to say the Sun is God... Your car is God.... Your clothes are God... everything around you is God.. Isnt that considered shrik in Islam?
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said:
Our Lord (glorified and exalted be He) descends each night to the earth's sky when there remains the final third of the night, and He says: Who is saying a prayer to Me that I may answer it? Who is asking something of Me that I may give it him? Who is asking forgiveness of Me that I may forgive him?
It was related by al-Bukhari (also by Muslim, Malik, at-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud).
In a version by Muslim the Hadith ends with the words: And thus He continues till [the light of] dawn shines.
I posted something similar in another thread, so I'm copy/pasting most of it here. Hope it adds to the discussion.
Allah (SWT) is high above the Heavens in a manner that fits His (SWT) Majesty. Only He (SWT) knows about it in detail and we believe in what we have been told. Allah (SWT) is closer to us than our jugular vein by His (SWT) knowledge.
I don't know how accurate it would be to suggest Allah (SWT) is found everywhere or anything of that sort.
May Allah (SWT) forgive me if I'm wrong.
The following are the verses I could find:
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“Allaah it is He Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six Days. Then He rose over (Istawaa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). You (mankind) have none, besides Him, as a Wali (protector or helper) or an intercessor. Will you not then remember (or receive admonition)?”
[al-Sajdah 32:4]
“Surely, your Lord is Allaah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and then rose over (Istawaa) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things [Yoonus 10:3]
“Have you not seen that Allaah knows whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth? There is no Najwa (secret counsel) of three but He is their fourth (with His Knowledge, while He Himself is over the Throne, over the seventh heaven), — nor of five but He is their sixth (with His Knowledge), — nor of less than that or more but He is with them (with His Knowledge) wheresoever they may be” [al-Mujaadilah 58:7]
“He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and then rose over (Istawaa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). He knows what goes into the earth and what comes forth from it, and what descends from the heaven and what ascends thereto. And He is with you (by His Knowledge) wheresoever you may be [al-Hadeed 57:4]
“And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein (by Our Knowledge)” [Qaaf 50:16]
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There is not a day that a new calamity does not hit a group of people, destroying their lives and bringing much pain and misery. Earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tsunamis, plagues and incurable diseases every day claim their own share of devastations and deaths. "Where is God?" is the unheard cry of the victims of these “acts of God”
God as described in the Semitic religions, is a compassionate, omnipotent, all hearing all seeing god. If that were true, then a god, who witnesses the suffering of his creatures and does not respond to their cry for help, is an unjust, callous, and cruel god. Thousands of children are dying every day around the world by draughts, earthquakes, floods, tornadoes and other natural disasters or as we call them the "acts of God". The victims of these natural “holocausts” cry in desperation, pray with anguish, weep in silence, yet God does not care or is unaware that they need help. What god is this God? Where is his justice? What happened to his claim of being the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful?
This very fact proves:
a) God is not hearing the cry of his creatures,
b) he is incapable of helping them or
c) he is a sadistic merciless, ruthless, tyrant that enjoys watching the suffering of his creatures just as Roman Emperors enjoyed watching people being devoured by lions or killed in coliseums.
Allah (SWT) is high above the Heavens in a manner that fits His (SWT) Majesty. Only He (SWT) knows about it in detail and we believe in what we have been told. Allah (SWT) is closer to us than our jugular vein by His (SWT) knowledge. I don't know how accurate it would be to suggest Allah (SWT) is found everywhere :
JazakAllaah was waiting for this answer.
We believe Allaah is above in the heavens, above his throne and above his creation. And Allaah is all seer, all hearer and encompasses all knowledge.
Allah (swt) Zaman - o - Makan ki Qaid say Azad hay
HE is everywhere - means nothing is hidden from HIM
HE doesnt reside anywhere - no throne - no nothing…
If the word THRONE has been mentioned it must be symbolic - for something else. If HE sits in a throne, that would give HIM a dimensional and space limitation, meaniing HE is confined to a limited space on HIS throne …
Pakistani SiS - no offense but the example you quoted was not appropriate, about the foot etc.
I would rather be satisfied if someone can quote from Quran and Ahadith. Rather than our own whims and fancies.
If I had to quote than I will quote one of the Analogies of Allaah, given by a respected Imam though I am going against my own rules,
A seed is like Allaah, and after the tree grows the seed is vanished, but the fruits, leaves branches of the tree are existent. This existence, provides a good example that Allaah is present in fruits, leaves and branches of the tree. Since it all originated from a seed.
Now thats how I am going to answer, if we start quoting from our own references. Rather than Quran and Hadith.
but the example you quoted was not appropriate, about the foot etc.