Where is Allaah?

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^ That's the Hindu philosophy of God my friend, which is often confused with "Wahdat-ul-Wajood" ...

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I do agree, Anwaar Bhai, isliye to main Quran aur Hadith ka references request kar raha hoon.

Because we humans have free will to think, but Allaah provides us with the best knowledge. But what Hindu Philisophy your talking about is a belief of many Muslims in the sub continent.

So what about the Muslim Ummah, where they are being deviated from the Quran and pulled towards philosophy and materialistic world, this is not new its been since 1000 years.

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Forgive my naivete, I'm new to this. Nevertheless, I've read through this thread and I would like to ask the simple question - why do religious people feel that words written in a book or passed down through oral tradition are sufficient evidence of truth? If the Bible or the Quran or some other book makes an obviously untrue or contradictory statement - isn't it obvious to any intelligent person that the writing is just the product of fallible human beings? Why are intelligent 21st-century people willing to subvert their intelligence by accepting, verbatim, words written by some individual hundreds of years ago?

My answer to yo_wasim's question would simply be - Allah is wherever you believe him to be, surely. (In my case, nowhere at all, or everywhere, depending on the day!)

Would it really decide the issue if the Quran made some unambiguous statement about it?

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ok.
i agree with what allahkabanda said about comtemplating too much on where Allah (SWT) is... what Allah (SWT) can do etc. We should Focus more on Our Actions, thinking too much about this can lead us into falling into the traps of shaytaan, Understanding Allah's Attributes is beyond human capability, Allah wont us Ask these questions on the Day of Judgement, We should Accept What we get in the Quran and Sunnah

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pakistani_sis:

think about it, you are trapped in a mental cage which doesn't allow you to think beyond the boundaries set by the Quran and Sunnah. Because this would be "falling into the traps of shaytaan". Isn't that just a very clever device for a religion to retain its grasp on the minds of adherents? Because every time a thought enters your head which is contrary to what you've been taught, instantly you will think: I mustn't listen to that thought, I musn't entertain that idea! Because it may be a trap of shaytaan. And so you will never think an original thought, and you will never discover that in fact you are imprisoned in a mental cage forever. For example a thought like "what if Allah does not exist?" - every human being has thoughts like that from time to time. But the cleverness of fundamentalist dogma is that it prevents it's adherents from even thinking such thoughts !!!!! So in the end your mind will never be able to do anything more than travel down the same track travelled by countless others. As for example when you find yourself living in a society where men dominate women, where women are permitted very little freedom of expression - you will suppress the doubts and any indignation which might arise inside yourself by saying to yourself, effectively, "I must not doubt the Quran which says that this is how Allah ordained things".

Open your eyes.

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^ but the questions remain are: do all these questions have anything to do with our a'amals and are we studied scholars of Islam who need to worry about stuff like this or answer people's questions. I bet most of us who argue on these questions don't even know how to pray sala'h according to Sunnah. So now my question is which is most important, arguing about Allah or learning how to pray? Also, why do we want to make things complicated like jews and christians and just assume or create or say like they said about Allah Ta'ala.
I agree with pakistani sister. There's two kind of knowledge that we get from Quran & Sunnah (i forgot the exact names for them). First the knowledge that's clear t us and we go in depth and learn more about it. 2nd the knowledge that's not very clear therefore we only learn what has been told to us. If we go in depth, we'll only confuse ourselves and it could lead to fitnah.

Brother wasim has been posting same aya'h over and over again and there're still people who argue. This is just pointless and waste of time.

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with regards to matter related to islam i dont need to go beyond the boundaries set for us muslims in the quran and sunnah and the way (practise) of the pious predecessors, if the matter has been made clear to us in these two sources and even if it has not then its important we focus on other issues rather than pondering about it too much so much so that we fall into kufr, when i said thinking about it i meant as in thinking about it too much because can lead us into falling into the traps of shaytaan yes, especially with regards to the attributes of Allah (SWT) because this is not a light matter , shaitaan will keep making us think and think and this can cause us to fall into kufr. Proof from the Quran and Sunnah have been made clear on the issue of where Allah (SbWTa'alaa) is, there is no use wasting time arguing what has been made clear to us and no use pondering too much and arguing over things that have not been made clear to us

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didn't want to get into this thread...but anyway. some time back one of the members in this forum asked me, how do I pray. Now i would like to ask this to u guys. How do u guys do ur namaz or pray?.

Do u imagine that God is everywhere ( in sun, in moon etc etc ) while praying? (which u are not supposed to by ur religion)

Or

while praying do you imagine God is somewhere above, inside, or anywhere in heaven thereby giving physical attributes ? (which again u are not supposed to do and but that is exactly what quran says that God is somewhere in heaven to suit his majesty)

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Prayer is a act of worship, which a true believer is in fear and tranquility. But salah is one fact which is between Allaah and slave directly.

When we prostrate we only do it to the Unseen, Creator Allaah, coz this is the most humblest position a human being can portray.

But there is a stage of Ihsan, where it is the Muslim responsibility to obtain perfection, or excellence, in worship, such that Muslims try to worship Allaah as if they see Him, and although they cannot see Him, they undoubtedly believe he is constantly watching over them.

That definition comes from the hadith in which Muhammad states, "“ It (Ihsan) is to worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state then you must remember that He is seeing you"

This stage there is** fear of Allaah and tranquility in heart **as stated before.

But there is no such picture, but only worship to Allaah. The one in blue, they are two opposite words but can only be achieved if someone has faith or Iman in Allaah.

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ssingh, I think you are totally confused because you lack Islamic knowledge. Tit bits from the internet will not bring you upto the proper level. It requires some serious study and versatality in study.

The nature of Allah SWT is not known to mankind, simple. The reason we are not to ponder about it is because we cannot comprehend it. We can only comprehend things for which we can find a human resemblance or material resemblance in this world. The attributes of Allah SWT are symbolic to something we have in life or something we can recognize. Saying that does not imply that we have attached any physicality to it.

See a representative is a sign for something. When I say for instance Walmart is all over North America, what does that mean. It means it has representation of some sort, which we can associate with Walmart. I know this is a poor analogy however it has some good points. Now what is Walmart, is it the building or the goods in the store. The answer is no. Walmart is nothing but a paper based company secured somewhere in a file cabinet. The buildings and stores and vehicles belonging to it are symbols or representatives that Walmart exists as a company. The same store could be sold to another Company say KMart. Does that mean Walmart is gone, I think not? When we say Allah is everywhere for instance it has many connotations, one meaning Allah SWT knowledge is surrounds everything, through whatever means it reaches Allah SWT. When you talk about the Sun and the moon, those are all signs or symbols Allah SWT has created to show mankind that Allah SWT exists. You yourself as a human, a creation of Allah SWT are a sign that Allah SWT exists. So everything around you is assembled from something created by Allah SWT meaning they all symbolize the existence of Allah SWT however what is different is that these symbols or signs have no divinity associated with them. They cannot be created on their own or exist on their own without someone having created them as such.

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That is exactly what i said in two other threads. You can check that out. If true nature of God is difficult to comprehend as you said which is true, then what is the point of talking about what other faiths preaches about nature of god whether it is henotheism, mono or pantheism and telling which is false or which is true. I hope u remember that thread called "atheists...explain", nobody could come to any conclusion, same way nobody will come to any conclusion here.

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Agreed somewhat however when you talk of other religions their concepts make the least sense of all compared to Islam. The biggest thing is I have not come across any religion except Islam whose scripture while acting as evidence for their belief could not be refuted with the same scripture used as evidence against their belief. In other words the belief they derive from their scripture does not make sense because their own scripture contradicts it. I am talking about dogmatic beliefs here.

Another thing is that all other scriptures are very fantastical whereas when muslims claim Quran to be the untainted word of God is not based on whims. It is a challenge open to all from the knowledge present in the Quran. No one has ever been able to meet those challenges or contradict the Quran using the Quran in the proper context.

You can ascertain there is no book in the world which has been preserved like the Quran. No one has ever been able to prove that the Quran has ever been changed.

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I don`t know how you are going to answer this.
Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur’anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.

How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur’an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.

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If you would have done your research, instead of blindly copying and pasting, you would know that this issue has been addressed. Jochen Katz who originally came up with this argument misinterpreted the Quran.
Anyways you can read just about everything you would need to know about the Laws of Inheritance here which includes the examples that you have quoted and other of Katz’ so called contradictions.
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:d-o6a3BZWccJ:www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp
(It’s a lengthy article, and if anyone can’t access the site then let me know and I’ll post the article)

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Here’s the answer to the above, it gives two explanations
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:aluBvyzBe9IJ:www.understanding-islam.org/related/text.asp

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I don't know what other religions say about this, but I know the explanation from the Islamic perspective. And this falls under Qadaa wal Qadr, and if you really want to learn about this then I can point you to some articles that can give you a brief idea of what this is.
Also, God is Just and like it says in Surah Sharh that after difficulty will come ease. If one does not get justice in this life then they will get justice in the afterlife on the Day of Judgement and that is the day when all accounts will be settled. So those whose accounts have been settled in this life will not have to worry about them on the Day of Judgement, but for those whose accounts have not been settled, for them all of that will be sorted out on that day.

Mustafa Kamal - Cruising Karachi - New Horizon
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Allaah u Akbar, best explanation short and sweet.
The best I have seen till now in this thread.

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Sher, thanks for posting this. Cher I do not believe I need to answer after this explanation. As I said earlier, all attempts have always failed when trying to contradict Quran. Thank you for proving my point.

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Sher, thanks again.