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Re: where do

@Med911

Why must everything have a purpose? And the Universe may or may not have been created randomly, but if your logic is that nothing can be born out of “nothingness,” then the idea that a supreme being created the Universe doesnt in any way resolve the issue, as it just creates another paradox. Because if you believe that nothing can exist without something preceding it, then how to explain God? There is an inconsistency in that logic that most religious people lazily ignore.

Things are absurd without purpose, this is the simplest thing to grasp. This world would not exist if it were proceding randomly, again very simple thing to grasp.
Answer to your question that why everything must have a purpose can also be taken from your very next statement "universe may or may not have been created randomly". If something is created not randomly then it must have a purpose.
The logic nothing can exist without something preceding it is bit ambiguous but it proves that atleast one Master of the universe exists, you must agree this. As that Master is unseen so you cant apply this logic to derive the attributes of the Master further unless you are able to quantify unseen. I am not going into details as it can be discussed separately if one wishes.
Whatever the topic is, this is very common among atheists/agnostics that whenever the fail to counter any specific argument they resort to debate of existence of God. If that is to be their ultimate argument then they should not take any argument without getting an empirical proof of existence of God in first place. But that is not the case, they join the debate to counter the arguments of religion and when find it hard to answer then they resort to “proof of existence of God”. That is poor approach.

You can discuss humanity and animalism as standalone concept, maybe you could not, if you cannot then that means you admit that there is no difference between humanity and animalism. That again proves my stance correct that ideas such as equating humanity with animalism are as bad as hell for this world.

And why must god exist for you to have a sense of right and wrong? Even animals have a sense of right and wrong, its ingrained within is.

Murder, unjustifiable is bad. Stealing is bad, rape is bad etc. I dont need anyone to tell me its that way, I already know it is because I can see that inflicts pain on the recipient. Humans can do anything they want, but society is there to define the limits. That is why we humans always create higher-arches, to impose a sense of order.

Good is simply that which is off greatest beneficence, while bad is that which does the greatest harm.

The belief that morality can only be ascertained through the existence of god doesn’t make much sense. We dont need an ultimate arbitrtor, we simply need two eyes to see with, a brain to think with, and a heart to feel with.

Animals by default have the sense of fulfilling bodily needs not sense of right and wrong. Nevertheless, sense of right and wrong is not same as sense of good and evil and acting upon good only accordingly. Islamicaly, there are few ahadith that explains that animals too follow orders of Allah (s.w.t.).
If you believe in randomness then the concept of right and wrong change abruptly as one may only think for himself only not for others that it leads to evil minded selfishness. Following the theory randomness means there is no sense of right and wrong and greatest beneficence and greatest harm. Since you are reluctant to believe in randomness as true and false it is hard carry on arguments.
Can you tell me what scientific reasoning you have to back your claim that animals have sense of right and wrong and the follow it accordingly?

Following are few questions I want you answer.
You too have said nothing about humanity that is special with human only, would you say that humanity does not exist at all?
You said animals posses the sense of right and wrong, would that means there is on boundary between animals and human and we cannot you distinguish human from animals?
Atheists don’t believe in notion of good and evil, would call them wrong on this or not?
Why you are afraid of assuming the randomness true as atheists does?