I once read somewhere that the Black Stone placed in the Ka’bah was brought to Earth by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) from Heaven when he was thrown out. Can anyone confirm this please with some Hadith or some other source etc.!!!
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^^ i red something else, that is, when Hazrat Ibrahim (AS) and Hazrat Ismail (AS) built Ka'ba they wanted the to mark a start point for Tawaf, Hazrat Ismail (AS) went to look for a stone and when he came back Hazrat Ibrahim (AS) told him that Jebriel (AS) came and brought a stone from Jannah, so the black-stone ( which was ****e at that time ) so set where it is set today and the stone Hazrat Ismail (AS) brought was placed on the other corner and it is still there called Hijr-e-Ismail.
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I once read somewhere that the Black Stone placed in the Ka'bah was brought to Earth by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) from Heaven when he was thrown out. Can anyone confirm this please with some Hadith or some other source etc.!!!
Thats what I read in Tafseer Ibn Kathir I think its a riwaya.
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I once read somewhere that the Black Stone placed in the Ka'bah was brought to Earth by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) from Heaven when he was thrown out. Can anyone confirm this please with some Hadith or some other source etc.!!!
I think we should take a sample of that Black Rock and perform a Carbon Dating Analysis on it.
That should give us a rough idea on the age of the earth
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What a crazy Lex Luthoranian suggestion? 
How its gonna give you idea about the age of earth when its not even from earth.
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I think we should take a sample of that Black Rock and perform a Carbon Dating Analysis on it.
That should give us a rough idea on the age of the earth
Peace mercenary2k
1) Carbon Dating is based on objects that were once living. C14 (Carbon with 14 neutrons and protons are produced in the ionosphere, from cosmic ray knock out of atmospheric Nitrogen, leaving stray neutrons which combine with other Nitrogen atoms, makign them emit a proton and reducing to relatively stable C14. The C14 will then combine like nominal C12 with oxygen then to form part of the carbon cycle, which the food chain is part of.
2) The half-life of C14 is 5730 years, which means things are fairly accurately measured for up to 3 half-life cycles, which comes to 17,190 years, longer than this obviously means smaller and smaller reductions in C14 will result in longer and longer time periods, making the error thereof increase exponentially.
3) With this in mind, the rock is inorganic it has not ever been part of the food chain and is likely to be older than the given duration above and even if carbon-dating was possible for non-living entities, then there would be no use to attempt it as it is not of this Earth in the first place.
If any experiments are worth doing it would be to determine the nature of the rock I haven't seen anything on Earth like it by the way, I have had the pleasure of being in close proximity and even touch it, as far as it was an education. Religiously it holds no significance to me ... it is just a rock.
Determining the life of the planet would be better calculated from an astronomy perspective, the cooling time required for the planet after the formation of the Sun. Note: The iron that we have an abundance of must have come from a meterorite as our system does not have the energy to produce it.
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Peace mercenary2k
1) Carbon Dating is based on objects that were once living. C14 (Carbon with 14 neutrons and protons are produced in the ionosphere, from cosmic ray knock out of atmospheric Nitrogen, leaving stray neutrons which combine with other Nitrogen atoms, makign them emit a proton and reducing to relatively stable C14. The C14 will then combine like nominal C12 with oxygen then to form part of the carbon cycle, which the food chain is part of.
2) The half-life of C14 is 5730 years, which means things are fairly accurately measured for up to 3 half-life cycles, which comes to 17,190 years, longer than this obviously means smaller and smaller reductions in C14 will result in longer and longer time periods, making the error thereof increase exponentially.
3) With this in mind, the rock is inorganic it has not ever been part of the food chain and is likely to be older than the given duration above and even if carbon-dating was possible for non-living entities, then there would be no use to attempt it as it is not of this Earth in the first place.
If any experiments are worth doing it would be to determine the nature of the rock I haven't seen anything on Earth like it by the way, I have had the pleasure of being in close proximity and even touch it, as far as it was an education. Religiously it holds no significance to me ... it is just a rock.
Determining the life of the planet would be better calculated from an astronomy perspective, the cooling time required for the planet after the formation of the Sun. Note: The iron that we have an abundance of must have come from a meterorite as our system does not have the energy to produce it.
Well I have lived in Makkah for 4 years and Jeddah for 8 years. So I have been to the Kabaa many times and many times I have touched it and kissed the rock.
I just want a scientific analysis done on the rock.
I don't see any harm in it.
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well it can give us some idea of what it is composed of and what kind of elements has effected it since it arrived on earth, etc…
and carbon dating results should be interesting if it is attempted
Re: Where did the Black Stone held in Ka'bah come from?
well it can give us some idea of what it is composed of and what kind of elements has effected it since it arrived on earth, etc....
and carbon dating results should be interesting if it is attempted
People do not understand you M2K!
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Pagan Arabs and Nabataeans were known to worship geometric objects (abstract forms unlike in Hinduism) and stones/rocks. Aswad rock could have been a meteorite (actually it is not one piece). These objects were usually cobes, and columns/towers. The only thing linking this to Islam and past prophets is the Hadith. There is no mention of it in the Quran.
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Theories many. Facts none.
Sorry, there is one fact. That no matter where it came from, who brought it, and how long ago, its definitely a ROCK, right? And when we all worship it, aren't we idol worshipers too? Maybe not to the crazy extent as Hindus putting food and flowers around the idol, but we do pray towards it, circle around it, and consider it holy. Idol worshiping it is.
I agree with M2K, a thorough scientific analysis will only be helpful.
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^ muslims don't worship it.
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Theories many. Facts none.
Sorry, there is one fact. That no matter where it came from, who brought it, and how long ago, its definitely a ROCK, right? And when we all worship it, aren't we idol worshipers too? Maybe not to the crazy extent as Hindus putting food and flowers around the idol, but we do pray towards it, circle around it, and consider it holy. Idol worshiping it is.
I agree with M2K, a thorough scientific analysis will only be helpful.
Well Vedic what do you think is the significance of that rock let me tell you none coz that rock niether benefits or harm of any sought.
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^^ There is no significance? Then why do we have millions of muslims flock over there for Hajj and perform all those rituals around the Kaaba? It obviously has a lot of significance. I'm not saying its wrong. I'm just saying its just another form of Idol Worship.
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^^ There is no significance? Then why do we have millions of muslims flock over there for Hajj and perform all those rituals around the Kaaba? It obviously has a lot of significance. I'm not saying its wrong. I'm just saying its just another form of Idol Worship.
Now let me tell you Idol worship well i thought you must be knowing this
1) We circumambulate round the kaaba so that we worship the kaaba this is a misconception amongst the non-muslims. We circumambulate by declaring by each and every of the 7 rounds that there is one God, one true God.
2) Let me analyses further Kaaba is just as a direction for the muslims in arabic its Qibla for prayers.
3) During the past Muaddin (The one who calls for prayers) they used to climb on Kaaba used to call for the prayers, would any one stand on there idol who s/he worships.
4) Umar, the 2nd caliph of Islam shouted out when he was kissing the blackstone where all the muslims heard
That you (blackstone) you neither harm nor benefit me but i am just kissing you because the Prophet had done it.
5) Blackstone is again important as we start our circumambulation from this point onwards.
I would call some one idol worshipping if s/he stands in front of the idol and has faith that this idol can harm or benefit me. Thats the case of most of the idol worshippers.
Any more doubts do let me know.
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Nice reply.
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^ I will be a bit critical here... and I would like to see your counter argument. I can declare that God is One and I do not need to circumambulate. Why do I need to do the Subu3 (a pagan rebirth/fertility ritual) for this? Are you sure that is what the 7ajj is for?
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^ I will be a bit critical here... and I would like to see your counter argument. I can declare that God is One and I do not need to circumambulate. Why do I need to do the Subu3 (a pagan rebirth/fertility ritual) for this? Are you sure that is what the 7ajj is for?
Pagan? its not pagan ritual its Abrahamic ritual.
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Pagan? its not pagan ritual its Abrahamic ritual.
Subu3 is the Nabataean fertility ritual on the first winter sinrise of the year to mark the rebirth of the sun.
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Subu3 is the Nabataean fertility ritual on the first winter sinrise of the year to mark the rebirth of the sun.
And why are you comparing it to Hajj?