Many people trace the rise of extremism in Pakistan to the US led attack of Afghanistan and Iraq, others date it back to Zia’s time, however the seeds of religious extremism were sown long before and since the early days of Pakistan’s.
A very interesting read on this is the Government Report on 1953 Punjab Riots;
Report on riots of 1953 (Urdu)
http://www.thepersecution.org/dl/MunirReport.pdf
Report on riots of 1953 (English) http://www.thepersecution.org/dl/report_1953.pdf
Why not go further back to Alexander the Great arriving in FATA? :D
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Fact is Pakistani mindset is anti-everything -- anti-US/west, anti-India/Hindu/Sikh, anti-Israel, anti-shia, anti-Ahmadi, anti-non-Muslim, anti-women. Some anti feelings like those against India and Israel may be justified although one should never feed on blind hate so much; others are only motivated by a strong sense of religious bigotry which runs in nation’s veins.
I don't see things changing any time soon, as many Pakistanis are fundamentally intellectually dishonest or handicapped, both hindrance to getting to the right decision.
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^^ I totally understand your hatred for Pakistan.
the thing i don't understand is, the people who consider Pakistan as failed state, root of all evil and worst to none.. why they are in Pakistan or they even bother to associate themselves with Pakistan.. maybe it is how much they hate Pakistan.. come on, leave the DIRTY fellows, go to the heavenly countries, don't ever look back or come back.. leave us alone, let us kill ourselves...
and if someone ask them that what you have done for Pakistan, they say, Pakistan isn't worth it!!! so get lost!!! go and live where ever you want, disassociate ur self from Pakistan.. and see how much respect you will gain!!!
so get lost!!! go and live where ever you want, disassociate ur self from Pakistan.. and see how much respect you will gain!!!
You are right, I am getting no respect here in the west...and I miss so much butchering going on in the name of Islam over there...oh wait...I have the channels to see them butchering..so no I am not missing that.
You are right, I am getting no respect here in the west...and I miss so much butchering going on in the name of Islam over there...oh wait...I have the channels to see them butchering..so no I am not missing that.
Please don't take things out of context, it will take you no where!!!
anyway, i also said, which you decided to ignore, disassociate yourself from Pakistan, don't bother about it!!! we are bad people.. leave us alone!!!
we are bad people..
Never had any doubts...any one killing their co-religionists gotta have some problem.
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Never had any doubts...any one killing their co-religionist gotta have some problem.
Exactly, anyone killing their co-religionists gotta have some problem. Add to this, anyone treating co-religionist as untouchable gotta have some problem.
This is why world is worried about hindus killing innocent hindus and treating them like animals only because they are from the lower caste. We must do something about it.
Exactly, anyone killing their co-religionists gotta have some problem. Add to this, anyone treating co-religionist as untouchable gotta have some problem. This is why world is worried about hindus killing innocent hindus and treating them like animals only because they are from the lower caste. We must do something about it.
err..you meant sunnis killing sunnis, shias, ahmadis, non-muslims and so on..no?
err..you meant sunnis killing sunnis, shias, ahmadis, non-muslims and so on..no?
I mean hinduist terrorists killing low caste hindus, Christians, Muslims, Budhists, Jews (in Bombay) etc. etc.
Sir,
We are corrupt. We are twisted. But it doesn’t mean that 90% of the Pakistan’s population is out there to cleanse the country of its minorities. When you talk about generalizations, you do not take individual incidents into account but look at the big picture. There have been massive crimes in Pakistan, but are only exagerated and exploited if the victim happens to be from minorities.
I accept that there has been unjustice done to the ahmedia community in Pakistan, but it is not at the scale you portray. I also agree that the incidents like Gujrat massacre are not representative of the mentality of general Indian population.
You portray as if any ahmedi or shia or non-muslim is shot at sight in Pakistan. Please be reasonable. I know and am friends with a lot of people from these communities and they feel at ease in Pakistan.
Sir, the links you provide are
They are absolutely reliable. One is the official Government of Punjab enquiry which was published for everyone’s record. Nothing biased about that. One of the Judges was Justice Kiyani one of the most reputable judges in Pakistan's history.
The 1974 incidents you can easily verify form the press in those days. There were big headlines during that period. Ask your dad, he would know.
Problem is either you have not bothered to know about the history or are deliberately trying to play it down.
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Search on Ahmadiyya Persecution and you'll see them. No problem about that. I have posted many incidences with references in this forum, many times.
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We are corrupt. We are twisted. But it doesn't mean that 90% of the Pakistan's population is out there to cleanse the country of its minorities. When you talk about generalizations, you do not take individual incidents into account but look at the big picture. There have been massive crimes in Pakistan, but are only exagerated and exploited if the victim happens to be from minorities.
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Actually its the other way round. They are played down. All proofs are there in HRCP, Amnesty International, Asian Human Rights Commission reports WITH ALL references.
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I accept that there has been unjustice done to the ahmedia community in Pakistan, but it is not at the scale you portray.
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Its more than I portrayed. Search on Ahmadiyya Persecution and educate yourself. Just denying without knowledge wont do.
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You portray as if any ahmedi or shia or non-muslim is shot at sight in Pakistan.
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Never said that. You just made that up.
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Please be reasonable. I know and am friends with a lot of people from these communities and they feel at ease in Pakistan.
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What? You expect them to say on your face they are not happy? You must be kidding. They are smarter than that. They are just waiting to get the hell out of there.
You think with the presence of below law they will say something that you can use against them? This law puts them in prison for really doing nothing.
ORDINANCE NO. XX OF 1984
PART II - AMENDMENT OF THE PAKISTAN PENAL CODE (ACT XLV OF 1860)
(3) 298C... Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name), who … invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.
This law officially makes Ahmadis achoots. This is worst than India where at least the untouchables are equal in the eyes of the law. Ahmadis can't even complain of discrimination as it is sanctioned by law.
Finally, I didn't want it to be about Ahmadis ... my point was existence of a nation called Pakistani is becoming doubtful by the day.
I mean hinduist terrorists killing low caste hindus, Christians, Muslims, Budhists, Jews (in Bombay) etc. etc.
Why? You think you are better than them?
And what does that have to do with identity?
What identity? Everyone is on their own.
Why? You think you are better than them?
Yes.
Because I do not kill any one. :)
Yes. Because I do not kill any one. :)
Most Indians haven't killed anyone either, however they also consider everyone equal (pretty much) in the eyes of the law, which isn't the case in Pakistan.
Again, this is not about Ahmadis but about the fact that perhaps Pakistani is no nation, we are just a geographically bound people with a label.
Most Indians haven't killed anyone either, however they also consider everyone equal (pretty much) in the eyes of the law, which isn't the case in Pakistan.
Again, this is not about Ahmadis but about the fact that perhaps Pakistani is no nation, we are just a geographically bound people with a label.
Oh wow, should i start posting links about how peaceful your indians are?
Dalits and Christians of Orisa ask why they have to die only because they are not Brahamans. Not to mention Sikhs, Muslims, Budhists, Parsis etc etc.
We Pakistanis are not going to fall into your trap.
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Oh wow, should i start posting links about how peaceful your indians are? Dalits and Christians of Orisa ask why they have to die only because they are not Brahamans. Not to mention Sikhs, Muslims, Budhists, Parsis etc etc.
We Pakistanis are not going to fall into your trap.
You are not getting the point. In Pakistan it is done officially by law as well as by the people. In India the law considers everyone equal so this is a step forward from what is in Pakistan.
Again, in Pakistan it is considered officially correct under the law to persecute its citizens. In India its not.
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Oh wow, should i start posting links about how peaceful your indians are?
Dalits and Christians of Orisa ask why they have to die only because they are not Brahamans. Not to mention Sikhs, Muslims, Budhists, Parsis etc etc.
We Pakistanis are not going to fall into your trap.
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^^ Don't worry about him, he is propoganda machine of Ahmadies and he job is prove the fact that how much Ahmadies/Qadyanies love Pakistan, you can check all his posts, he seldom post anything in favor of Pakistan, never let go any chance to criticize Pakistan and yet their moto is Love for All hate for none...
Anyway, who ever thinks Pakistanies are bound by a boundary!!! should have seen the sacrifies they make for their brothers all around Pakistan, the earth quick can be stated as an old example, todays donations by Pakistanies for the people of Malakand is again a live example that Pakistan is a nation... which is not going to fall apart on the wet dreams or propoganda of certain nationalities and religions!!!
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This coming from a man who posts links to riots in a thread about Pakistani identity and then refuses to accept his own comments. Well done.