When will we resist?

American amabassador lambasts Pakistani policy on Kashmir on our own soil, and she is summoned to the Foreign Office to be given an subservient explaination; when the bitch should have been shipped out on the next flight. Indian politicians spew venom on daily basis and call us nothing but terrorist, and the best our Pakistani leaders can come up with is a submissive and apologetic response; “India should come to the bargaining table”. We are no different than Arabs, or Malayans or any other race- we muslims are nothing but a bunch of spineless cowards/

**When will we resist? **

**Edward Said: The US is preparing to attack the Arab world, while the Arabs whimper in submission **

Saturday January 25, 2003
The Guardian

One opens the New York Times on a daily basis to read the most recent article about the preparations for war that are taking place in the United States. Another battalion, one more set of aircraft carriers and cruisers, an ever-increasing number of aircraft, new contingents of officers are being moved to the Persian Gulf area. An enormous, deliberately intimidating force is being built up by America overseas, while inside the country, economic and social bad news multiply with a joint relentlessness.
The huge capitalist machine seems to be faltering, even as it grinds down the vast majority of citizens. None the less, George Bush proposes another large tax cut for the 1% of the population that is comparatively rich. The public education system is in crisis and health insurance for 50 million Americans simply does not exist. Israel asks for $15bn in additional loan guarantees and military aid. And the unemployment rates in the US mount inexorably, as more jobs are lost every day.

Nevertheless, preparations for an unimaginably costly war continue without either public approval or, at least until very recently, dramatically noticeable disapproval. A generalised indifference among the majority of the population (which may conceal great overall fear, ignorance and apprehension) has greeted the administration’s warmongering and its strangely ineffective response to the challenge forced on it recently by North Korea. In the case of Iraq, with no weapons of mass destruction to speak of, the US plans a war; in the case of North Korea, it offers economic and energy aid. What a humiliating difference between contempt for the Arabs and respect for North Korea, an equally grim and cruel dictatorship.

In the Arab and Muslim worlds, the situation appears more peculiar. For almost a year American politicians, regional experts, administration officials and journalists have repeated the charges that have become standard fare so far as Islam and the Arabs are concerned. Most of this predates September 11. To today’s practically unanimous chorus has been added the authority of the UN human development report on the Arab world, which certified that Arabs dramatically lag behind the rest of the world in democracy, knowledge and women’s rights.

Everyone says (with some justification, of course) that Islam needs reform and that the Arab educational system is a disaster - in effect, a school for religious fanatics and suicide bombers funded not just by crazy imams and their wealthy followers (such as Osama bin Laden) but also by governments who are the supposed allies of the US.

The only “good” Arabs are those who appear in the media decrying modern Arab culture and society without reservation. I recall the lifeless cadences of their sentences for, with nothing positive to say about themselves or their people and language, they simply regurgitate the tired American formulas already flooding the airwaves and pages of print. We lack democracy, they say, we haven’t challenged Islam enough, we need to do more about driving away the spectre of Arab nationalism and the credo of Arab unity. That is all discredited, ideological rubbish. Only what we and our American instructors say about the Arabs and Islam - vague, recycled Orientalist clichés repeated by tireless mediocrities such as Bernard Lewis - are true, they insist. The rest isn’t realistic or pragmatic enough. “We” need to join modernity - modernity in effect being western, globalised, free marketed, democratic, whatever those words might be taken to mean. There would be an essay to be written about the prose style of licensed academics like Fuad Ajami, Fawwaz Gerges, Kanan Makiya, Shibli Talhami, Mamoon Fandy, whose very language reeks of subservience, inauthenticity and the hopelessly stilted mimicry that has been thrust upon them.

The clash of civilisations that George Bush and his minions are trying to fabricate as a cover for a pre-emptive oil and hegemony war against Iraq is supposed to result in a triumph of democratic nation-building, regime change and forcible modernisation à l’Américaine. Never mind the bombs and the ravages of the sanctions, which are unmentioned. This will be a purifying war whose goal is to throw out Saddam and his men and replace them with a redrawn map of the whole region. New Sykes Picot. New Balfour. New Wilsonian 14 points. New world altogether. Iraqis, we are told by the Iraqi dissidents, will welcome their liberation, and perhaps forget entirely about their past sufferings. Perhaps.

Meanwhile, the soul-and-body destroying situation in Palestine worsens all the time. There seems no force capable of stopping Ariel Sharon and his defence minister Shaul Mofaz, who bellow their defiance to the whole world. We forbid, we punish, we ban, we break, we destroy. The torrent of unbroken violence against an entire people continues.

As I write these lines, I am sent an announcement that the village of Al-Daba’ in the Qalqilya area of the West Bank is about to be wiped out by 60-tonne American-made Israeli bulldozers: 250 Palestinians will lose their 42 houses, 700 dunums of agricultural land, a mosque and an elementary school for 132 children. The UN stands by, looking on as its resolutions are flouted on an hourly basis. Alas, George Bush identifies with Sharon, not with the 16-year-old Palestinian kid who is used as a human shield by Israeli soldiers.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian Authority offers a return to peacemaking and, presumably, to Oslo. Having been burned for 10 years, Arafat seems inexplicably to want to have another go at it. His faithful lieutenants make declarations and write opinion pieces for the press, suggesting their willingness to accept anything, more or less. Remarkably, though, the great mass of this heroic people seems willing to go on, without peace and without respite, bleeding, going hungry, dying day by day. They have too much dignity and confidence in the justice of their cause to submit shamefully to Israel, as their leaders have done. What could be more discouraging for the average Gazan who goes on resisting Israeli occupation than to see his or her leaders kneel as supplicants before the Americans?

In this entire panorama of desolation, what catches the eye is the utter passivity and helplessness of the Arab world as a whole. The American government and its servants issue statement after statement of purpose, they move troops and material, they transport tanks and destroyers, but the Arabs individually and collectively can barely muster a bland refusal. At most they say no, you cannot use military bases in our territory, only to reverse themselves a few days later.

Why is there such silence and such astounding helplessness? The largest power in history is about to launch a war against a sovereign Arab country now ruled by a dreadful regime, the clear purpose of which is not only to destroy the Ba’ath regime but to redesign the entire region. The Pentagon has made no secret that its plans are to redraw the map of the whole Arab world, perhaps changing other regimes and borders in the process. No one can be shielded from the cataclysm if and when it comes. And yet, there is only long silence followed by a few vague bleats of polite demurral in response. Millions of people will be affected, yet America contemptuously plans for their future without consulting them. Do we deserve such racist derision?

**This is not only unacceptable: it is impossible to believe. How can a region of almost 300 million Arabs wait passively for the blows to fall without attempting a collective roar of resistance? Has the Arab will completely dissolved? Even a prisoner about to be executed usually has some last words to pronounce. Why is there now no last testimonial to an era of history, to a civilisation about to be crushed and transformed utterly, to a society that, despite its drawbacks and weaknesses, nevertheless goes on functioning? **

Arab babies are born every hour, children go to school, men and women marry and work and have children, they play and laugh and eat, they are sad, they suffer illness and death. There is love and companionship, friendship and excitement. Yes, Arabs are repressed and misruled, terribly misruled, but they manage to go on with the business of living despite everything. This is the reality that both the Arab leaders and the US ignore when they fling empty gestures at the so-called “Arab street” invented by banal Orientalists.

Who is now asking the existential questions about our future as a people? The task cannot be left to a cacophony of religious fanatics and submissive, fatalistic sheep. But that seems to be the case. The Arab governments - no, most of the Arab countries from top to bottom - sit back in their seats and just wait as America postures, lines up, threatens and ships out more soldiers and F-16s to deliver the punch. The silence is deafening.

Years of sacrifice and struggle, of bones broken in hundreds of prisons and torture chambers from the Atlantic to the Gulf, families destroyed, endless poverty and suffering. Huge, expensive armies. For what?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,882048,00.html

**This is not a matter of party or ideology or faction: it’s a matter of what the great theologian Paul Tillich used to call ultimate seriousness. Technology, modernisation and certainly globalisation are not the answer for what threatens us as a people now. We have in our tradition an entire body of secular and religious discourse that treats of beginnings and endings, of life and death, of love and anger, of society and history. This is there, but no voice, no individual with great vision and moral authority seems able now to tap into that and bring it to attention. **

We are on the eve of a catastrophe that our political, moral and religious leaders can only just denounce a little bit while, behind whispers and winks and closed doors, they make plans somehow to ride out the storm. They think of survival, and perhaps of heaven. But who is in charge of the present, the worldly, the land, the water, the air and the lives dependent on each other for existence? No one seems to be in charge.

There is a wonderful expression that very precisely and ironically catches our unacceptable helplessness, our passivity and inability to help ourselves now when our strength is most needed. The expression is: will the last person to leave please turn out the lights? We are that close to a kind of upheaval that will leave very little standing and perilously little left even to record, except for the last injunction that begs for extinction.

Hasn’t the time come for us collectively to demand and formulate a genuinely Arab alternative to the wreckage about to engulf our world? This is not only a trivial matter of regime change, although God knows that we can do with quite a bit of that. Surely it can’t be a return to Oslo, another offer to Israel to please accept our existence and let us live in peace, another cringing, crawling, inaudible plea for mercy? Will no one come out into the light of day to express a vision for our future that isn’t based on a script written by Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, those two symbols of vacant power and overweening arrogance? I hope someone is listening

We are no different than Arabs<<<

err...isn't that supposed to be the ultimate dream come true?

what the heck are you trying to say CM ? Give me a straight manly response as oppose to some deeply sarcastic analogy..

Thanks. I think this thread will wake up the Muslim world.

Outlaw, how long did it take you to come to this conclusion? Muslims are powerless against the superior military power o the West. That's the bottom line.

I think what Channji might be saying with the remark (and he can clarify it much better, since he said it) is that Pakistanis on general want/need to feel closer to Arabs for cultural/religious legitamacy. This could obviously be extended to the impotence of the Arabs when it comes to dealing with the nasty Kuf'r.

i wonder how long this post would have been here if the title was picked by someone else :)

i would not be as concerned with the lack of balls, but more with lack of brains. lack of tact, lack of planning, lack of thought leadership...what would these places be if there was no oil.

Pakistan wants to feel closer to these kingdoms of bedouins who are only watching out for their own interests..sure do it.

U cant save an idiot from himself. let those fools figure out what they need to do, let us concentrate on fixing our own place first.

Let's see... why don't the Arabs themselves start by standing up for Palestinian rights. Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc...

We got problems closer to home. I say let the Saudi Sheikhs who will give over their bases to the Americans to bomb the Iraqis set the example.

while merrily discussing spine, arab etc what's conveniently being hidden away is the denial of facts. why don't you first ask your own government of pakistan as to why they keep the cross border terrorists trained and armed? if they didn't commit the crime in the first place they wouldn't have to take the punishment. instead of calling Powell names go after the real crooks!

and why are you changing this criticism of a rogue behavior called terrorism into some kind of attack on islam? islam will have no problems if the terrorists don't perpetrate such crimes in the name of jihad etc!

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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
while merrily discussing spine, arab etc what's conveniently being hidden away is the denial of facts. why don't you first ask your own government of pakistan as to why they keep the cross border terrorists trained and armed? if they didn't commit the crime in the first place they wouldn't have to take the punishment. instead of calling Powell names go after the real crooks!

and why are you changing this criticism of a rogue behavior called terrorism into some kind of attack on islam? islam will have no problems if the terrorists don't perpetrate such crimes in the name of jihad etc!
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You are entitled to your own opnion and i respect that but what i cant respect are some of your views.

About Jihad?
I think unless your a muslim you wont really understand what that word means, and secondly about Pakistan arming the rebels let me assure you we dont have to help them in this perticular matter weapons are freely available in Both India and Pakistan and not forgetting Afganistan.

I was once offered a Russian Tank at Derra for Rs/- 500000 that less than a second hand suzuki alto. get my drift.

And a word of wisdom:
One nations terrorist is anothers Freedom Fighter. Pakistan has already asked the United Nations to send observers to both sides of the border to monitor the so called "Infltration" by the assumed Pakistani element.

I hope you didn't waste 5lakhs on that tin can.

the crap about 'martyred' suicide bombers is just crap - they are just naive youth misled by satanic sermonising ... all this talk about 'freedom fighters' is just propaganda that your military has religiously been spreading within pakistan to keep them in business. that's the only way they can keep the population from asking why such misery, where is all the money going etc!

there may have been some holy meaning to the word jihad somehwere in the past and i don't know about that. but the current meaning is simply "jihad means cruel sins of murder perpetrated by islamist exremists on innocent non-muslims and muslims for misconceptions about heavenly rewards such as a harem'. it is spawned by hatred.

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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
I hope you didn't waste 5lakhs on that tin can.

the crap about 'martyred' suicide bombers is just crap - they are just naive youth misled by satanic sermonising ... all this talk about 'freedom fighters' is just propaganda that your military has religiously been spreading within pakistan to keep them in business. that's the only way they can keep the population from asking why such misery, where is all the money going etc!

there may have been some holy meaning to the word jihad somehwere in the past and i don't know about that. but the current meaning is simply "jihad means cruel sins of murder perpetrated by islamist exremists on innocent non-muslims and muslims for misconceptions about heavenly rewards such as a harem'. it is spawned by hatred.
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As far as terrorists go i dont care if they are muslim or christian if they attack innocent civilians then they deserve all thats coming to them..

And you would find if you had read my post correctly that i reffer to them as rebel's and not jihadi's because a terrorist has no nation or religion so quit blaming Pakistan and Islam for all these pethitic fools with a point o prove. As far as i am concerned they can all goto Hell!! and leave us to prosper or atlest try.

The_ Jackal

So Jackal,unless your a muslim,you wont know what jihad means.

Why,is it a secret?Do you really think that is credible,all one has to do is ask a muslim cleric who is not spewing hate and terror,to get an answer.

And you say these terrorists have no nation or religion.Perhaps you should tell the terrorists that,because the majority of them are doing it in your name and your religion

:k:

Well, there you have it. No is denying that the Arabs and Muslims have failed in thwarting this aggression, which is set to change not only the political scenario but also the geographical boundaries of the region. To me it’s pretty mundane even to think that we will not be affected by this attack, and we don’t know owe anything to the Arabs. If it weren’t for the generous billions of dollars worth of recent oil credit lines, from the Bedouins, our budget deficit would have ballooned through the roof. Secondly, Pakistan is quick becoming a spent piece of round, which has now out-lived its strategic purpose yet once again, after lending its support for the so called war on terrorism to the US. Sudden shift of the American tone towards Pakistan on strategic issues such as Kashmir speaks volume about the amount of influence we can generate. Despite the UN resolutions and Indian acts of crimes against humanity, Pakistan WILL be under increased pressure to accept LOC as the permanent border or be labeled as an outlaw terrorist state. Sadly, we got some petty short-term economic gains at the expense of our core national issues. Pakistan is nowhere remotely close to the economic prowess of India at the moment, and the US now has everything to gain by allying with Indian policies, and the recent comments made by the US ambassadors in India and Pakistan is a stark example. They would not have dared said these things a year ago. Well, what do we do now, we can’t have even iota of an influence on the bloody Americans to stop them from humiliating our citizens in the US despite all the major ass-kissing. No one is asking to launch an all out attack on the Americans, but at least have enough dignity and balls to stand up for oneself. The least we need to do is recruit high caliber and shrewd diplomats who are well suited to get the message across.

At this juncture, we can no longer afford to carry on with an attitude that “this is not OUR problem”, since individually, I am afraid, the geo-political situation for Pakistan does not look too rosy in this new world order. We need a different pro-active approach; true Islamic democracy and the silent majority needs to speak up, whatever it maybe, against the repression from the US and from our own leaders.

Outlaw...that is all good and well. For once, I would love to see osme solutions. Whether it is Pak forum or here. You guys keep lamenting onthe status of the muslims owrld, pakistan etc. Does any of the muslim and/or Pakistani luminaries have a solution?

Yes: genuine democracy which truly represents the aspirations of masses. It cannot happen unless broad-based educational and judicial reforms take place. We are still not on a right course in many aspects. When you have dictator’s hand picking the leaders through horse-trading, only horse-shyte is going to come out. Collectively, as Muslims we are at the lowest ebb of our religious and cultural heritage. If we want to live as sheep, and dictated to be "moderate", under the US' brand of "liberty" and "Democracy", then we are looking at a dawn or a dark era, and it's going to be a long and continuous struggle, no matter which angle you choose to look at it. This hegemonistic, evil and imperialist US designs need to be fend off; diplomatically, politically or by force. If we won’t raise our voices, then we will be subjected to domination and subjugation to the American version of Religious and political practices.

No one is defending Saddam and his regime, but the broader ramifications of this assualt will be a crushing blow to the Muslims. This is inded a clash of civilizations, thrusted upon Muslims by the war-mongers and evils.

What are the aspirations of the masses? Aren't the aspirations of the masses the same as they are in china or india or africa or n.america?

Amartya Sen once said when talking about democracy and education, "a fit populace does not necessarily lead to democracy...but a democracy can lead to a fit populace. "

If the aspirations had matched the abilities of our leadership, then we would not be in this sad situation, where the fate, economics, and future of the Muslims countries is dictated by Non-Muslims and worst enemies, literally. The failure to avert this war reprents a mammoth political collapse of Islamic and Arab organizations, since their foundation was weak and sham to begin with, just like the leaders themselves. This is what happens when you have ruthless and brutal dictators in power. Although, I am disappointed at the helpless state of Muslim world as a whole, and to see Iraqi people about to get maimed and killed. It seems as though, majority of us are ducking their heads and just want to get this thing "over with", so we can move on, without even realizing the dangers of hidden underlying political objectives of the US, and how the entire Muslim world may be forced to transform in the future. One thing is for certain, this will mark the beginning of an end of corrupt Arab dictators, one by one. History is a witness- when greed, deception and sumptuousnes, and tyranny gets out of hands, then the wrath comes through the hands of worst enemies who visit the most inner portions of your houses- too bad we still haven't realized the gravity of the situation, yet.