when do you

give up?

is it when you get to a point where you can’t possibely take anymore? or the point where you know nothing will ever happen to improve the situation your in?

What makes u want to carry on? and when do you get to that stage?

Im not talking about suicide when i say giving up.

thoughts please

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Don't give up. Never have never will.

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You give up, you lose. That's usually enough motivation for me.

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It's times like these i wish i were a guy!

is it really that simple?

losing/winning, is it all a game?
that has to be more motivation that just the idea of not wanting to "lose"?

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Simple you are a loser. Your ego won't tolerate it and your self-esteem will take a beating. Plus who likes to lose?

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dude, it has nothing to do with being a guy. It really doesn't.

You're not going to win all the time, but its better to go the whole way and lose, rather than give up before the result is out. Who knows, you could win.

Well that's how the logic goes.

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Win or lose, it is how you play the game. As long as you did your very best....that is all that matters. There will always be winners or losers...it is all relative.

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I give up everytime I encounter a few at GS, but I never give up in life, you gotta it take it as a challenge, a hobby, whatever tickles your bone.

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A moralistic statement from matsui, will wonders never cease.

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If you give up now, you will regret it your whole life. Do not give up. Things will get better, they always do. :)

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^ oh don't lie to the girl. They so do NOT!

But once in a blue moon, they do - and if you can hold on to THAT hope, you're one of the more stronger people out there.

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Well like Matsui said it's all relative, are u actually going to get something out of giving up? Mental, emotional peace? Sometimes dragging things to teh end doesn't work, if you must, then bow out gracefully.

They say it takes a man to fight, but it takes an even bigger man to walk away.

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ok, this has so gone the wrong way, this isnt about winning or losing, im sorry guys but sometimes life throws situations where there is no winner or loser.

Not ever situation is about winning or losing, if it were, then who gets to decide who has won and who has lost?

this is about not giving up, its about finding the motivation that keeps you going.

I can't think of it as a game, as im the only player...who do i lose or win against?
and when i said i wish i were a guy, i meant in terms of dealing with things so lightly! everythings a game to most men! Im not that egotistical.

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What’s wrong Mohabbat? You are gonna die in another 30..do something worthwhile for a change.. :-)
It will all be memories later…you want to look back and feel satisfied…and sometimes giving up on things is the best thing you can do…Is that what you really wanna do? Weed is not good anyways.

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i hear ya about the weed man, but Vodka helps...

Satisfaction? what about all the crap you have to deal with that comes along with this so called satisfaction? What if i was to keep on going, how will it make me a stronger person? i hate it when people say "if you can get through this, you can get through anything"..why must people say that? it makes no sense to me. The way im beginning to see it, is that i should'nt have to tolerate things the way they are, i should'nt have to prove anything to anyone, i should'nt have to want to win, as some things in life are not about winning?

How does one "win" in life anyway? What is winning all about?

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*Satisfaction? what about all the crap you have to deal with that comes along with this so called satisfaction? *
That is part of the struggle in order to achieve your goals. One should have goals in life..It gives your life direction and keeps you motivated. Giving up on things that you wanted but had to quit cuz of external pressures or crap might lead more crap in your life.

*What if i was to keep on going, how will it make me a stronger person? *
It depends how much you want it. You will be a lot stronger when you accomplish what you wanted.

*The way im beginning to see it, is that i should'nt have to tolerate things the way they are, i should'nt have to prove anything to anyone, i should'nt have to want to win, as some things in life are not about winning? *
It’s not about winning. it’s about self-fulfillment…screw everyone and everything else.

Are you gonna make me type more or just call me on my cell?

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nah man i want u to type more, im gona make ur fingers bleed :p

Im sorry pet, but i dnt buy that stuff about accomplishment...
you didnt answer the bit about how people win?
what makes a winner?

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Well, since you haven’t accomplished anything in your life therefore probably you don’t know the feeling. :-p It is very rewarding. I’m surprised you don’t buy the theory of self-respect/accomplishment.
As for the winners, there are two kinds. One who wins for others and the other kind is the one who wins for themselves. Which kind are you?

My fingers are bleeding already..I hope you show come mercy..you can make a collect call if you wish

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but what makes a winner? how do you know you'v won in life?
i don't buy the whole accomplishment crap as i dont think one can accomplish anything until they realise why they are doing it and for whom. I dont its right to struggle your way through just to accomplish something, as the struggle is sometimes too hard, it wont make me a stronger perosn, it will just make my accomplishment something i did for to prove something. Is that why we do things? for proof that we can?

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It's ok love...give up what ever task you have undertaken...there is nothing prove. Happy? :-)
You can lean on my shoulder to cry... (we are way past the phone now)