Question. When you ‘ban’ a certain dimwit for his dimwitism, why is it okay for him to be back on the website the next minute with a different nick? Is this out of love for mankind in general or the love for website traffic?
By the general principle, a warned person should continue to have posting rights whereas a banned person should actually be banned for a while. What you do is like telling someone that they are not allowed to enter a building…using this particular door. If they decide to enter using another door right next to the restricted one, well, its their call. That’ll teach them, yeah?
Oh and just so you know, posting one of them standard official statements and locking the feedback/complaint thread doesn’t always satisfy the users, plus at times it seems rather rude. Hasn’t happened with me alhamdulilah, but I have seen that happen around here quite a bit recently. I am fully aware and appreciative of the fact that this is a desi owned and operated website, but still the brethren managing the website should perhaps give the members some respect. This whole setup is based on the ties and mutual respect between the members after all.
Dude, I think I would voice exactly the same concerns and I have been doing so for quite some time now, fail to see any permanent solution. What the hell is up with that? Does a person with a multi nick come back AUTOMATICALLY with a better attitude?!?!
It's liek me telling you to piss off...getting banned for it, coming back to tell you to piss the hell off again! I've said it before and I'll say it again, most of the time the members that return feeling so smug about getting away with it and creating a new nick to post with, will ultimately show their true colours once again. So what's the point of continuously putting up with crap like that?
I agree with both of the above.....
If some person has 2-3-4 multis and they can keep trolling/stupidafing each n every time they post.......where actually is the control here??
Either the person should be Banned (like fully banned NO multi) for a period of Time
and after that period...the person should be allowed back with same nick...
and if his behavious hasn't changed......then you can give him some time limite ...and then do it once for all.....
It is not possible to differentiate between users other than the IDs and the IPs. When we ban IDs, yes users can make new IDs and come back, but when we ban IPs they cannot. (well they can using a %^%$&$^%^&) The problem with banning IP is there could be more than 1 person sharing the same IP, so there is a risk involved of banning more than one users by blocking the IP.
Admins and managers dont have much of a choice, not until we start using biometrics or something for cyber identification in future.
^ well they can have feedback from other users who can recognise the 'culprit'...if a certain minimum members can confirm that it is infact the same person ..then they can ban it again....
I agree with all of the above , most of these kinda multies are from Lahore , I want some strict action against them.
Question. When you 'ban' a certain dimwit for his dimwitism, why is it okay for him to be back on the website the next minute with a different nick? Is this out of love for mankind in general or the love for website traffic?
By the general principle, a warned person should continue to have posting rights whereas a banned person should actually be banned for a while. What you do is like telling someone that they are not allowed to enter a building...using this particular door. If they decide to enter using another door right next to the restricted one, well, its their call. That'll teach them, yeah?
Oh and just so you know, posting one of them standard official statements and locking the feedback/complaint thread doesn't always satisfy the users, plus at times it seems rather rude. Hasn't happened with me alhamdulilah, but I have seen that happen around here quite a bit recently. I am fully aware and appreciative of the fact that this is a desi owned and operated website, but still the brethren managing the website should perhaps give the members some respect. This whole setup is based on the ties and mutual respect between the members after all.
You are correct, the ban should be for an individual and not a nick.
I have asked the team that any ambiguity that the ban is for an individual and not their nick should be cleared up and implemented.
how is this for a non standard official statement? :)
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while registration, if it possible to add one more column 'connection type/location else' like a person is using home based inet, office or internet cafe etc will helps to block IP's for the mutlis.
Otherwise modz should be given rights to ban all those users who use more then 1 or more nicks on GS without prior any notification etc., until the user clear it/get approval from the concern staff with valid reason.
mods have rights to ban anyone for valid reasons, I think there has been some ambiguity about this topic, so that has been cleared up. it may not happen right away, because sometimes mods may or may not know who a multi is, so we will do the best we can on a going forward basis, how quickly that means any current multis of banned ppl are banned, that I dont know since I dont run the team, and will not arbitrarily start picking deadlines, but expect that it will not be instant yet will not drag on for months either.
You are correct, the ban should be for an individual and not a nick.
I have asked the team that any ambiguity that the ban is for an individual and not their nick should be cleared up and implemented.
how is this for a non standard official statement? :)
locking not required.
Ya pir, the official statement sounds awesome. But then, so do our politicians' promises. I can only hope that it is taken seriously and is duly implemented. Cheers to that thought.
banning IP is not possible because all the people who login from Lahore or Dubai show up as same IP. Banning the IP of a culprit means banning the whole region to ever login.
Sometimes one person gets a ban and comes back as a multi with his/her lesson learned and behaves. Our warnings and bans are not always punishments but reminder of our policies. If person is behaving from his other nick (and there are dozens of examples that people do) then I see no need of banning him/her just because his first nick was banned.
Many times people use proxy servers so even IP address cannot catch the culpurit. I for one do not ban multis based on speculations. However, ff the unconfirmed Multi is also misbehaving then we treat that multi as stand alone member and ban or issue warnings.
If person continuously misbehaves from his second nick also then we dont allow him to enter although checking multi is a manual process so a delay could happen before we catch the multi.
Hopefully this clears up any confusion on how we deal with ban people. Just want to make everyone realize that GS admin team is not only as passionate about keeping this website clean from all the trouble makers as you folks are, but doing our best to keep it that way.
TLK, on your point #2- either the person is banned with every nick, or is not banned with any nick.
only exceptions being.
1) if a banned nick is of a dodgy nature itself and we dont want that particular nick posting
2) if we dont know someone is a multi of a banned person and the person is posting with the multi while we dont know.
please implement it now- Thanks
I am doing the customary closing of the thread now :)
nyah, just kidding..
about the closing of the thread bit. rest stands.
