Burning and looting in Pakistan by the “defenders” of our Messenger pbuh and His “honor”, have yet again proven that the “flag bearers” of Islam and Mohammad pbuh are suicidal maniacs hell bent on death and destruction. Isn’t this the point this Danish cartoonist was trying to make? May be a crude way, but he did call a spade, a spade.
Down with the Mullahs of Middle East who are now responsible for burning my country.
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No. his point was that the Prophet was a terrorist/suicide bomber. I dont think he is. do you?
There are no flag bearers of Islam. we do not judge the christian world through bush...or hitler for that matter. Because they are simply not a 'flag bearer' for christians. Thats the difference between us and the danes and their 'camp', they are plain ignorant about Islam hence have difficulty diifferentiating. The problem lies in their ignorance, and not as you would have us believe, in Islam.
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Sorry, Ma, but the problem here lies in the ignorance of the protesters. As if shooting kids, rioting, burning, looting and issuing death threats does anything to dispel the cartoonists' message that people use Islam as a basis for violent acts.
Only the literal minded think that Muhammed was being portrayed as a terrorist/suicide bomber. The point being made was that some who follow Muhammed are using violence with Islam, the Quran and the prophet as inspiration for their violence.
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First of all, you do know that he died a long time ago right?
Secondly, although I haven’t seen the actual cartoon, I’m certain that its point was that in the western world, Islam has become synonomous with terrorism. Few can dispute that. Islam is also synonomous w/intolerance, a fact that’s been reinforced very well by all the rioting.
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And since we really don’t know that much about history, we are safe to assume that he was…
cough ignorant bigot cough
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no seminiole, that is the point you wish was being made. since you've been using the catholic scandals as analogy, an appropriate cartoon about that would have been Jesus Christ (God forbid) molesting a kid.
would that be a reflection on the subsection of christianity that has a problem or christianity itself?
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Priests don't use Jesus Christ as inspiration when molesting children.
If they said "in the name of Christ, I rape thee", like a terrorist shouts "Allah Akbar" when chopping off someone's head, the comparison might have some validity.
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Well, the holy Christian crusades in Afghanistan and Iraq seem to signify simething else…
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To the ignorant, biased, blind or dishonest perhaps.
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Only the literal minded think that Muhammed was being portrayed as a terrorist/suicide bomber. The point being made was that some who follow Muhammed are using violence with Islam, the Quran and the prophet as inspiration for their violence.
See for the educated and open minded people, it's relatively easy to see the difference here. Its too bad you dont seem to be one of them. True there were violent protest but then there were equally as much peaceful protests in response to the cartoons.
However, If your ignorance (or prejudice) leads you to judge Islam as a whole, on the basis of only either one or the other aspect, then that is a serious 'lack of knowledge'and a folly on your part. And unless you find a good book or a source to educate yourself better, the narrow mindedness will remain for good. With that kind of mentality; if muslims all queue up at concentration camps, it will never be good enough.
Hence my point is, the problem does not lie with the reaction of some muslims, but moreso with the ignorance of the 'danish camp' breeding around here.
The violent protestors were not reacting out of ignorance, they knew pretty well what the editor was insinuating, how they went overboard was not due to lack of knowledge, but an over-emotional reaction that spiralled out of control on their part. There is a distinct difference. One judgement is related to the intellect (i.e publishing the cartoon), it was a calculated move, the other was an emotional and angry reaction. Im sure we can easily see which decision has much more of a solid case for deep rooted bigotry and intolerance and which one was merely a case of a knee jerk reaction.
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No one is judging Islam as a whole. Why is everything so black and white? Have you ever heard of the color gray? It is that huge area between the two extremes.
But to deny that some (a small but loud, visible, and violent group) do use their interpretation of Islam as their motiviation to commit acts of terrorism. Do you think that should never be mentioned? Ignored and swept under the rug so as not to upset the larger group that wants to deny it?
The cartoons, the Danes, the west and any intelligent person does not equate all of Islam with terrorism. But it does exist. The lack of knowledge, prejudice, ignorance or folly would be those who deny it.
Why don't you think it can be anger and emotion that prompts someone to call a spade a spade and speak the truth - which is that a billion plus people who are loud and vocal that they follow a religion of tolerance and peace has elements amongst them that use that same religion as validation for their acts of terror?
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This thread was about the violent reaction to the cartoons, i dont think the violent protesters were using Islam to justify their extreme reaction. And i certainly would not call it terrorism either.
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Seeing the content of the cartoons, that is exactly what they did. i.e. equate Islam with terrorism. If it had been bin laden or Taliban, it wouldnt have been so bad, because they are not a universal icon for muslims, the Prophet (saw) on the hand is. Deciding to offend billions inorder to portray a minority tendency, its pretty telling that ignorance played a major part.
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No, the initial post was how the violent reactions validate the cartoons.
You just don't get it. The Taliban, bin laden etc use Islam, the Quran and the prophet to justify their actions. That is what the cartoons were saying. Why is that so hard to understand? No one said it was universal. The cartoons didn't imply that every Muslim saw the prophet as advocating terroristm.
No cartoon should be taken literally to be applied to any and every one that it might remotely resemble. Your universal icon is being used by some to justify terror. Sorry but it is. The only difference in what I just typed and the cartoons' message is the format in which it was delivered.
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No Ma, they were expressing their piety by "defending" their prophet by burning a KFC. See the linkage? Stomping on Ronald McDonald is no doubt because they though Ronald had insulted their religion. Get it?
It seems like Muslims never pay attention until something burns. After the bombings in Bali, Guppies were shocked, staring wide-eyed that people protesting the bombings were burning Mosques.
Now we have a bunch of people intentionally diverting the message. The message the cartoon authors wanted to express is Islam=Terror. Simple enough. However that message was sidestepped by the furor over freedom of expression, Danish boycotts, perceived insults to a religion. The message however remains. The Danes, and a lot of others, want you to get control of the wild men who plant bombs to intentionally kill innocents.
Now stop scratching your head and wondering, "Why do they hate us". To borrow an old election saw, "It's the violence stupid".
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Its hard to believe because of the part where the illustrators drew what they thought of Prophet Muhammad, and not how a minority muslims used his name to justify their actions? 
Stop trying to infer what you wish it to be seminole. Try and rely on the basic facts for once. 
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your posts are just too random.
thanks for the laugh anyway.
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Sorry, Ma but your request to rely on 'basic facts for once' is as biased as anything else in this thread since it rarely happens on this board with anyone. Don't act as if I am the one who bends the truth to make it fit my philosphy.
Where was it said that is 'what they thought of the prophet? They were commissioned to to depict the prophet in what they thought was a fight for free speech.
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Down with the Mullahs of Middle East who are now responsible for burning my country.
first step in fixing a problem is accepting that problem exists. Great that you have done it. Congrats..
Next step is to identify reasons.... Here you failed. Stop blaming Middle Eastern Mullahs. Lets accept that Mullahs every where are same. be it India,Pakistan or Iran. Those illietrate idiots have hijacked islam and making us all look bad. I think your patriotism is stopping you from accepting that Mullah's in pakistan are behind this. Please dont let your patriotism get better of your commen sense.
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All these protest and destruction in Pakistan was just an excuse to stone and damage Indian high-commission. Maro sallay kafironko.
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Secondly, although I haven't seen the actual cartoon, I'm certain that its point was that in the western world, Islam has become synonomous with terrorism. Few can dispute that. Islam is also synonomous w/intolerance, a fact that's been reinforced very well by all the rioting.
Now stu be very careful of what you utter as Islam is not intoelerant; it is the professed followers. A muslim doesn't become a muslim just for being born in a muslim family. Can we blame christianity, hinduism or judiasm, when millions of muslims were massacred in bosnia, kasmir, and Palestine? As for western nations, They have absouletely no knowelge of Islam whatsoever. In Quran this beautiful verse sums up perfectly the resons as to why we have so much problems in this world " When they make desires their God". If we start judging based on your criteria then I regret to infrom you that no one can beat the Christians.