Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
As mentioned by others already, her marriage to him is no longer valid if he does not accept Islam, so the headscarf should be the least of his worries.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
As mentioned by others already, her marriage to him is no longer valid if he does not accept Islam, so the headscarf should be the least of his worries.
How does the wife converting to islam make the marriage invalid? I don't think so for two reasons:
1) By laws of the land, once a marriage is registered, only a formal divorce or annulment is the only way to cancel it. That has not happened in this case.
2) Even by muslim law (now, I am not an authority on this of course) my understanding is that the husband has maximum authority over wife - so if the husband has not converted then the assertion that the wife's conversion is invalid is more potent and valid than the claim that the marriage is invalid.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
How does the wife converting to islam make the marriage invalid? I don't think so for two reasons:
1) By laws of the land, once a marriage is registered, only a formal divorce or annulment is the only way to cancel it. That has not happened in this case.
2) Even by muslim law (now, I am not an authority on this of course) my understanding is that the husband has maximum authority over wife - so if the husband has not converted then the assertion that the wife's conversion is invalid is more potent and valid than the claim that the marriage is invalid.
The invalidity of their marriage is from an Islamic perspective. It has nothing to do with the law of the land. A Muslim woman can not be married to a non-Muslim man. Even if they marry according to the law of the land, their relationship is still considered illegal from an Islamic point of view.
Re: What’s your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
^ how? Isn’t it islamic law that states husband has authority and status over wife? So as long as the husband is non-muslim, the wife cannot be considered muslim.
. You cannot have it both ways!
Since ppl always come up with some hadith for everything, someone can post some quranic reference (english pls!) that shows how a wife has authority over husband in these matters!
Don’t know if he’s crazy but Stircrazy is stirring up a valid point! 
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
How does the wife converting to islam make the marriage invalid? I don't think so for two reasons:
1) By laws of the land, once a marriage is registered, only a formal divorce or annulment is the only way to cancel it. That has not happened in this case.
2) Even by muslim law (now, I am not an authority on this of course) my understanding is that the husband has maximum authority over wife - so if the husband has not converted then the assertion that the wife's conversion is invalid is more potent and valid than the claim that the marriage is invalid.
1 - This is being discussed from an Islamic law perspective. So law of the land is not part of the discussion though it will be important for them when it comes to finishing up legal matters.
2 - First Husband has authority is not in the sense that he can make her choose her faith by coercion, is not how it should be understood. And to say that he has authority even from the perspective that you give (which is not correct), then he needs to be a muslim first to enjoy such a right then.
Re: What’s your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
No man has that much power over his wife, even in Islam.. 
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
2) Even by muslim law (now, I am not an authority on this of course) my understanding is that the husband has maximum authority over wife - so if the husband has not converted then the assertion that the wife's conversion is invalid is more potent and valid than the claim that the marriage is invalid.
Even in the case of husband's authority over the wife, if the husband's command opposes the command of Allah, then the wife must obey Allah's command over that of the husband. Same applies between parents and children. If the parents are commanding the child to do something against the orders of Allah, the children don't have to obey the parents in those matters.
Nobody needs anybody's permission to convert to Islam. Once she converted to Islam, if the husband doesn't also accept Islam then their marriage is finished. He no longer has the authority over her that a husband would have over a wife.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
^ but that's really not true. No court of law deems religious conversion as an automatic annulment of marriage.
Take some reality into account before repeating the same "marriage is kaput".
Reality is:
Neither the wife nor the husband have sought divorce
There is no valid law that cancels the marriage unless such divorce is granted
People's interpretations here seem to be driven by anxiety to support such conversiion and in the process lot of misinformation bordering on malice (ie no regard to the people involved) is being doled out.
Does islamic law apply to the couple? No because the husband is not a muslim and doesn't say he wants to become one.
Does islamic law apply individually to the man and wife? No to the man (because he is not muslim) and yes to the wife. (Because she became muslim)
Does the marriage exist? Yes. All nations law recognize that. And there is no specific islamic law that cancels the marriage.
So why are you making up stuff here, ruining the couple's marriage instead of helping them?
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
^ but that's really not true. No court of law deems religious conversion as an automatic annulment of marriage.
Take some reality into account before repeating the same "marriage is kaput".
Reality is:
Neither the wife nor the husband have sought divorce
There is no valid law that cancels the marriage unless such divorce is granted
People's interpretations here seem to be driven by anxiety to support such conversiion and in the process lot of misinformation bordering on malice (ie no regard to the people involved) is being doled out.
Does islamic law apply to the couple? No because the husband is not a muslim and doesn't say he wants to become one.
Does islamic law apply individually to the man and wife? No to the man (because he is not muslim) and yes to the wife. (Because she became muslim)
Does the marriage exist? Yes. All nations law recognize that. And there is no specific islamic law that cancels the marriage.
So why are you making up stuff here, ruining the couple's marriage instead of helping them?
Here we have another reply driven from misinformed assumptions. Did you know muslims in non-muslim countries do not get married unless they have their religious marriage ceremony first. The legal marriage is for lgeal purposes which the law of the country would recognize. So they are subject to marriage contract as far as the law of the land is concerned but Islamically they are finished. So for instance, me in USA, I have two marriage contracts, one necessary for the US law and one necessary for the Islamic law. So yes you are correct from the domestic law perspective they are husband and wife but in real life from a relationship perspective they are not husband and wife anymore. There marriage at this point is nothing more than a paper marriage. Ofcourse they need to still go through all the legalities in order to split up from the domestic law perspective.
Now if you have an issue with this, keep it to yourself.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
I love my wife, I think she is absolutely breathtaking and beautiful. If I could have created a life-long soul mate, it would be her. I love her personality, her intelligence, her beauty, she really is everything I could ever want. However; I don't want her to wear the hijab.
Read between his lines brother he lusts her for her beauty , he does not love her. Why I am saying that I will tell you in a minute.
He lusts her intelligence he does not love her intelligence.
He lusts her personality he does not love her pesonality.
He wants empowerment over a beautifull and intelligent woman .
If he loved her personality he would accept her decision to wear hijab. He wants to show others off the charm and beauty of his wife. Once she starts wearing hijab he can not show her off to others the way he used to and used to feel powerfull and better than others.
If he thinks she is intelligent and loves her for her personality then he would respect her wise decision and would convert to Islam too. He respected her intelligence to the point where she was a pagan , now since she is a Muslim she is no more intelligent for him. As I said if he thought she is intelligent then he should embrace her intelligent decision of becoming muslim and accept Islam.
Yes a Muslim women cannot remain married to an athiest she has the right to get divorce and marry a Muslim man.
Re: What’s your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
Psychologically speaking I think you have it right.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
So Britney Spears' possible conversion is suspect because of the character of the man she is dating. Well what is the character of the person who converted this wife? I think that needs to be considered.
This whole argument that women are weak and that a man affects her power of reasoning is BS. It's not valid in this day and age (at least not in western socieites) Every non-scriptual argument that tries to justify it falls short. Very short.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
In their anxiety to uphold what you think is islam,, quite an exhibition of haughtiness and ignorance is evodent when I see statements such as "keep it to yourself". That is precisely the circumstances where an adloscent would be advised an attitude adjustment.
But I'm glad at least sufficient sense of reality now exoists to admit the marriage still exisists and legal.
Beyond that, the talk about lust, muslim law et al is mere speculation and coming from biased agendacrats and religiouso, has no credibility.
:)
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
^ but that's really not true. No court of law deems religious conversion as an automatic annulment of marriage.
Take some reality into account before repeating the same "marriage is kaput".
Reality is:
Neither the wife nor the husband have sought divorce
There is no valid law that cancels the marriage unless such divorce is granted
People's interpretations here seem to be driven by anxiety to support such conversiion and in the process lot of misinformation bordering on malice (ie no regard to the people involved) is being doled out.
Does islamic law apply to the couple? No because the husband is not a muslim and doesn't say he wants to become one.
Does islamic law apply individually to the man and wife? No to the man (because he is not muslim) and yes to the wife. (Because she became muslim)
Does the marriage exist? Yes. All nations law recognize that. And there is no specific islamic law that cancels the marriage.
So why are you making up stuff here, ruining the couple's marriage instead of helping them?
Your mentions of the laws and courts considering them still married is irrelevant. I'm saying that their marriage is invalid according to Islamic law. What any state court has to say about it doesn't matter from that perspective. I know that they're legally married according to the state laws and what not but according to Islam they're not. Islamically, it is ok for a Muslim man to propose to her for marriage, even though she is legally married to the man. If she were to marry a Muslim and have a husband/wife relationship with her Muslim husband, that would be perfectly valid according to Islamic law. If she were to continue her relationship with the non-Muslim, then that would be considered zina.
There may be couples where the husband is Muslim and the wife is atheist/ mushrik or vice versa, which is recognized by courts and what not, but according to Islam it isn't worth anything.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
then if they still love each other it's a good thing they don't live in an Islamic state.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
Even in the case of husband's authority over the wife, if the husband's command opposes the command of Allah, then the wife must obey Allah's command over that of the husband.
Let's assume this is true for a moment. Is there any evidence that Allah said all men should be muslim? My understanding is otherwise, that Allah never decreed all men should be muslim. Therefore this husband is doing nothing wrong in not converting.
Nobody needs anybody's permission to convert to Islam. Once she converted to Islam, if the husband doesn't also accept Islam then their marriage is finished. He no longer has the authority over her that a husband would have over a wife.
Pls see above about husband not converting is not really any mistake on his (or anyone's) part. Therefore the marriage is NOT invalid.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
Let's assume this is true for a moment. Is there any evidence that Allah said all men should be muslim? My understanding is otherwise, that Allah never decreed all men should be muslim. Therefore this husband is doing nothing wrong in not converting.
Pls see above about husband not converting is not really any mistake on his (or anyone's) part. Therefore the marriage is NOT invalid.
Actually that point about the obedience of Allah over the husband was mentioned in relation to her conversion. I understood from your post that you were implying that if she does not have the husband's permission to convert, then she can't. As I mentioned, that the husband forbidding her from accepting Islam doesn't affect the validity of her conversion. It does however lead to the annulment of their marriage from a sharia point of view, if the husband doesn't also accept Islam.
Even in the time of Rasulullah(S.A.W), there were children who embraced Islam against the wishes of their parents as well as wives who did the same against the wishes of their husbands. This didn't make their Islam any less valid.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
In their anxiety to uphold what you think is islam,, quite an exhibition of haughtiness and ignorance is evodent when I see statements such as "keep it to yourself". That is precisely the circumstances where an adloscent would be advised an attitude adjustment.
But I'm glad at least sufficient sense of reality now exoists to admit the marriage still exisists and legal.
I don't think anyone ever denied the legalities involved in this. I think the husband is being ignorant in what his wife is trying to tell him. We are just amplifying her actions into our thoughts here, nothing more. She made her choice, its time for him to make a choice as well. The question is does he realize that he can't win them all and she is telling there are a few things I will not give up for you. Let us hope and pray that whatever happens to them is in the best interest of both.
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
Thanks to everybody who responded to my post. I would like to share one of the answers that was posted on the other board:
All this commentary is based on the assumption that she is wearing hijab outside of the home (unless praying of course) and while at home with you she is as she has always dressed.
Why would you care what she wears while out of the house, or in the company of men not related to her? Are you saying you aren't attracted to her physically while she's grocery shopping or washing the car? Why would you need to be? Are all your sexual feelings tied up with your vision of her say, picking up the kids from school?
Maybe you ought to rethink what you're saying here. Is it possible you're more concerned with how people are going to perceive you while together? Hmm, do you worry people will assume that you are faithful follower of Islam? For an atheist that may be a big problem. Or is it that she is only physically attractive to you if she is attractive to other men? That's something we Muslims don't subscribe to, and if you think about it, it's not being very respectful of your wife. We Muslim women who wear hijab take pride in keeping our beauty safe from the eyes of strange men, and saved especially for our husbands. What's unsexy about that? Unless one is a pimp! (I'm not saying that you are a pimp, please don't take that the wrong way.)
Frankly, most Muslim men who don't want their wives or daughters to cover have one of these reasons:
1. fear. They worry the women may be harassed or bothered in America where it isn't easy being Muslim these days.
2. Shame. Shame for themselves, their wives are more willing to show their devotion to God than they the Muslim man is willing to do. They are reminded daily that the wife is more in touch with God than he is and it makes him feel uncomfortable.
3. Cultural baggage. Back home (in whatever country he's from) only "religious" women wore hijab, or only "backward" women wore hijab--the educated class is too smart to cover...
Really, if you love your wife, take care with this and many other issues. There strong opinions of Islamic scholars who say she shouldn't even remain with you, if you are as strongly atheistic as you say you are. There are other opinions that she should stay with you (especially if you have children) unless or until it is obvious and clear you would never become a God fearing person. So, while you think you may leave her because she wants to cover her hair, she may be thinking you aren't worth it.
Sorry to be harsh, but really, read your message again. How sad that you think all your wife's attractiveness in tied up with her hair. Chances are, one day you'll lose all yours anyway, should she leave you then?
Re: What's your Opinion : Question by a Non-Muslim man about his recently converted w
It does however lead to the annulment of their marriage from a sharia point of view, if the husband doesn't also accept Islam.
That is incorrect in my opinion. Because the husband is not Muslim and therefore sharia does not apply to him even on a moral basis. And since the law of the land is different, even on a legal basis that is not true.
So both from a legal and religious point of view, the marriage is still valid.