What's with the Opera??

[queen_24]

Re: What's with the Opera??

mm ok let me try. It's like someone (who is not even a Fine Arts major) paints a copy of the famous Mona Lisa and claims the replica is just as great. In fact, by the arrogant tone that the message is delivered in, it actually sounds more like, "psh what is all the hype about this Mona Lisa? Look, even I can paint it. In fact, I can do it better than the original artist and I'm not even a pro!"

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Are there any poets here on GS? Have you ever faced a situation where someone, who hardly knows a thing or two about Urdu sher-o-shayari rules, takes a stab at writing a ghazal and thinks just because it rhymes and the sentences are somewhat equal length, it qualifies as a ghazal?

Hawaayi claims like these are annoying because you don't know the abc of a subject; you don't understand the significance of what makes something truly inspirational yet here you are claiming to be "at least as great" the pros.

Queen, I have listened to a few audios you have posted in the voice gallery section. You have a good voice and you can sing better than an average person. But, I'm sorry, you don't have full mastery over singing. In a lot of places, your voice shakes or you are off beat. No offense, but even if you were as good as whichever-singer-you-think-you-sound-like, arrogance is not an attractive feature at all. And I think that is what is turning everyone here off.

Turning everyone off for what? For something that I never declared?? The Professional thing was brought here by some other guppan and I never said that I can easily compete with a Pro.

It's definitely not my problem if someone perceives what he wants to perceive out of something that has never been declared so at the first place, I am quite surprised why the question of "sounding like Pros" and "challenging Pros" raised!!

Yes, in my post I said I am (at least) that good and its not at all difficult but it never meant that I declared that I am an Opera Pro or I can challenge an Opera Pro. If I were, I would have not been here on a forum but be recognized as a Famous Opera Pro.

Saying, its not at all difficult means (& meant) it's certainly NOT something I can never sing or learn. How does that make me an Opera Pro??

Regarding my voice and my songs, madz could you pleeeeeease (and PLease, bohat bara ehsaan hoga yar literally I mean it) bring me any single post where I declared that I have full mastery over singing?? I know when I am off beat and I know when the voice shakes but do you really think my so-unprofessional-mics and recording system support me anyways?? Do you know how many times a song (a professional song) is sung? Do you know how many times a playback singer is supposed to sing the song?? I have been to that stage and yes, I have sung professionally (in past)... I have been to studios and I know how it works, it doesn't work a single way, the way I operate my system from my home!! It's so different. A singer is required to sing at least ten times to deliver the best he can, and not in one go.... doesn't work in ONE-GO thing.... Sometimes, we have to sing twice on our own singing to merge the surs.... so singing in a studio for something professional and singing in my room with a random brand mic and random system is entirely different. The shakes and off-beats and all the defects are hidden under the music or/and sometimes rendered with professional tools!!

Have you heard a live concert? Have you seen the professional singers's performances, all that Shriya and Suniti chauhan and all others, even they shake sometimes and go off-beats in the live performances and yet, here I don't declare to compete with them as well.... there is no doubt they are among the best singers and my point to discuss them here is to clear your misconception that you can not judge someone for some random home-recordings........

I sound different on a professional mic and I sound different on a home-based production!! & I could see the clear difference!
I don't even have a single clue why you thought that "I" think I am as good as whichever singer........because, I don't like resembling myself with whichever singer. I have my own voice and I would more love to be unique than being a copy cat!!!

So all you people, once again, if you guys are being turned-off by me saying I can sing Opera, than I really can't do any thing, because what I said, is being negatively perceived here and I would not blame myself for that. And yes, Opera is not at all difficult, I can learn it and I can sing it.... it is NOT something I can say, impossible to learn!! Seriously at least I am that good at Opera and its not at all difficult!!! I don't claim to have mastery over Opera and that's only because, Opera is NOT my genre and I HATE opera... if at some place, I try to learn and feel I am failed to learn the proper Opera as PROs, then the reason would only be none other than my less interest!!!

[madz124]

Re: What’s with the Opera??

@queen_24

Turning everyone off for what? For something that I never declared?? The Professional thing was brought here by some other guppan and I never said that I can easily compete with a Pro.

It’s definitely not my problem if someone perceives what he wants to perceive out of something that has never been declared so at the first place, I am quite surprised why the question of “sounding like Pros” and “challenging Pros” raised!!

Yes, in my post I said I am (at least) that good and its not at all difficult but it never meant that I declared that I am an Opera Pro or I can challenge an Opera Pro. If I were, I would have not been here on a forum but be recognized as a Famous Opera Pro.

Saying, its not at all difficult means (& meant) it’s certainly NOT something I can never sing or learn. How does that make me an Opera Pro??

Regarding my voice and my songs, madz could you pleeeeeease (and PLease, bohat bara ehsaan hoga yar literally I mean it) bring me any single post where I declared that I have full mastery over singing?? I know when I am off beat and I know when the voice shakes but do you really think my so-unprofessional-mics and recording system support me anyways?? Do you know how many times a song (a professional song) is sung? Do you know how many times a playback singer is supposed to sing the song?? I have been to that stage and yes, I have sung professionally (in past)… I have been to studios and I know how it works, it doesn’t work a single way, the way I operate my system from my home!! It’s so different. A singer is required to sing at least ten times to deliver the best he can, and not in one go… doesn’t work in ONE-GO thing… Sometimes, we have to sing twice on our own singing to merge the surs… so singing in a studio for something professional and singing in my room with a random brand mic and random system is entirely different. The shakes and off-beats and all the defects are hidden under the music or/and sometimes rendered with professional tools!!

Have you heard a live concert? Have you seen the professional singers’s performances, all that Shriya and Suniti chauhan and all others, even they shake sometimes and go off-beats in the live performances and yet, here I don’t declare to compete with them as well… there is no doubt they are among the best singers and my point to discuss them here is to clear your misconception that you can not judge someone for some random home-recordings…

I sound different on a professional mic and I sound different on a home-based production!! & I could see the clear difference!
I don’t even have a single clue why you thought that “I” think I am as good as whichever singer…because, I don’t like resembling myself with whichever singer. I have my own voice and I would more love to be unique than being a copy cat!!!

So all you people, once again, if you guys are being turned-off by me saying I can sing Opera, than I really can’t do any thing, because what I said, is being negatively perceived here and I would not blame myself for that. And yes, Opera is not at all difficult, I can learn it and I can sing it… it is NOT something I can say, impossible to learn!! Seriously at least I am that good at Opera and its not at all difficult!!! I don’t claim to have mastery over Opera and that’s only because, Opera is NOT my genre and I HATE opera… if at some place, I try to learn and feel I am failed to learn the proper Opera as PROs, then the reason would only be none other than my less interest!!!

Like I said, it’s not just what you said but the way you phrased your sentences, it came across as though you think very highly of yourself and you consider those, who sing a different genre than what you like, to be beneath you. Even though, many posters have already pointed out that opera is about a lot more than what meets the naked eye and that it is indeed very difficult to “perform” (not just sing) it well, you still keep making naive statements like oh yeah it’s not difficult and I could sing it at least as great if I wanted to.

Because you so boldly stated above that the only reason something you sing would turn out badly is if you had no interest in the genre to begin with, I am going to use your recorded song as a reference here. Good singing doesn’t just require passion and feeling. Skill and training are key ingredients to good singing.

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Queen, you have a good singing voice. But honestly, this is a poor choice of song for you. In this case, even if you had perfect surroundings/mic/studio/whatever, you still wouldn’t have been able to do this song any justice.
You said so yourself that professional singers practice and train so much. I agree 100%. But I don’t agree that you need perfect setting to spot good talent. Trained singers can blow your mind just humming a few lines naturally without the support of musical instruments. You, my dear, need a lot of vocal training to build your range of pitch, breathing, and control.

[queen_24]

Re: What’s with the Opera??

@madz124

Like I said, it’s not just what you said but the way you phrased your sentences, it came across as though you think very highly of yourself and you consider those, who sing a different genre than what you like, to be beneath you. Even though, many posters have already pointed out that opera is about a lot more than what meets the naked eye and that it is indeed very difficult to “perform” (not just sing) it well, you still keep making naive statements like oh yeah it’s not difficult and I could sing it at least as great if I wanted to.

Because you so boldly stated above that the only reason something you sing would turn out badly is if you had no interest in the genre to begin with, I am going to use your recorded song as a reference here. Good singing doesn’t just require passion and feeling. Skill and training are key ingredients to good singing.

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Queen, you have a good singing voice. But honestly, this is a poor choice of song for you. In this case, even if you had perfect surroundings/mic/studio/whatever, you still wouldn’t have been able to do this song any justice.
You said so yourself that professional singers practice and train so much. I agree 100%. But I don’t agree that you need perfect setting to spot good talent. Trained singers can blow your mind just humming a few lines naturally without the support of musical instruments. You, my dear, need a lot of vocal training to build your range of pitch, breathing, and control.

I personally believe, a real Opera would make one cry due to the pure feelings and I never said I can do that. For ur first three lines, I would say again and again and again…that I can’t really help how people perceive… I dont wish to clear my point anymore and repeatitively!!

The song u just posted here is again a home-based-production and to be really true… lol… this recording was the most stupid random things I did… in fact its almost more than 9 months old and I dug it out from my bekar-songs folder. The reason why I uploaded it here was, it had been a long time dince I posted my any song and due to my pregnancy..I was unable to record any fresh song so just to bring some life to VG with my songs…I selected it and uploaded it thinking..half a loaf is better than none.
So now your declaration that even with having perfect surroundings I could have not done justice with it then you are wrong. You can NOT say that because atmosphere makes you deliver the best of you…

And no my dear…I dont need a lot of whatever training because I have never considered this place where I should be hundred percent up to mark while singing… and most of the times the songs I upload here are out of enjoyment.

You seem to be knowimg about a lot of music and singing. I would love to hear you… could you please

[redvelvet]

Re: What's with the Opera??

Queenie...you're pregnant....relaaaaaax!

[queen_24]

Re: What’s with the Opera??

@redvelvet

Queenie…you’re pregnant…relaaaaaax!

I lauveeeeeeee you dear
Only you could think that …

[Muzna]

Re: What's with the Opera??

perhaps we could return to this discussion in a years' time?

[queen_24]

Re: What's with the Opera??

@Muzna

perhaps we could return to this discussion in a years' time?

yes my Lady :D

[queer]

Re: What's with the Opera??

i will wait till next year, queen.

[khawateen]

Queen.... If it feels like a feeling.. a thought, or something along those lines...

It's to be made into a blog.

This thread had.nothing to be discussed... Whatever little could he...was shot down cuz u r expecting.

Stay calm and.blog on.

[TLK]

Wait a minute. You guys never spared me from your attacks and no one ever asked if I was expecting. What kind of unfair discriminative bantering is this?

And what if queens baby has a talent a she cries like an opera singer? How would you carry the conversation then?

I say don't stop at any expense and carry on with your taunts.

[queen_24]

Re: What’s with the Opera??

@TLK

Wait a minute. You guys never spared me from your attacks and no one ever asked if I was expecting. What kind of unfair discriminative bantering is this?

And what if queens baby has a talent a she cries like an opera singer? How would you carry the conversation then?

I say don’t stop at any expense and carry on with your taunts.

Tsk tsk tsk jalan kukkar
…but wait… why u make me smile… it’s always entertaining reading you

[aahmed]

Re: What’s with the Opera??

Just saw this. With all due respect queen, but you’re out of your vulcan mind. It’s easy to say “I can sing Opera, I’m great at it, but I dislike it” and then not prove it, words are cheap, gaa ke sunao, phir maanain ge.

Try this one, Nessun Dorma from Puccini’s Turnadot about a spoilt brat princess (coincidence?). Pavarotti will give you goose bumps, skip to 2:00 for the finale where he says Dilegua notte, trementate stelle, trementate stelle, alalaba vincero (sp) means Vanish night, set stars, set stars, at dawn I will be victorious, absolutely breathtaking:

I’m sorry, I’m not done, I actually got super annoyed after reading this. I’ve studied music throughout my academic career and I know how much work goes into becoming an opera singer, it’s not the usual Bollywood stuff you sing which any nauseatingly mundane singer can pull off, years, decades of training go into becoming a great opera singer and you just slash it all down with your careless words. AH MAZING!

[aaliyahkhan1]

Re: What’s with the Opera??

@aahmed

Pavarotti will give you goose bumps, skip to 2:00 for the finale where he says Dilegua notte, trementate stelle, trementate stelle, alalaba vincero (sp) means Vanish night, set stars, set stars, at dawn I will be victorious, absolutely breathtaking:

WOW!!! That gave me goosebumps!