I guess in order for Bush to spead democracy in Iraq he needs to remove it from the U.S. A sad day for America when this law goes into effect.
WASHINGTON - The Senate on Thursday endorsed President Bush’s plans to prosecute and interrogate terror suspects, all but sealing congressional approval for legislation that Republicans intend to use on the campaign trail to assert their toughness on terrorism.
The 65-34 vote means the bill could reach the president’s desk by week’s end. The House passed nearly identical legislation on Wednesday and was expected to approve the Senate bill on Friday, sending it on to the White House.
The bill would create military commissions to prosecute terrorism suspects. **It also would prohibit blatant abuses of detainees but grant the president flexibility to decide what interrogation techniques are legally permissible.**
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15044215/
Democracy in France also came at a hefty price. Its been like this ever since the idea of civilization arose in a human's mind. Its only normal and every empire or nation has been guilty of the same act at one point. So I guess its only fair..
But on the other hand I do see your frustration and I completley understand it as well.
i had 2 threads about this but nobody seemed to care then....he only wanted this bill to pass becuz he is guilty of violating the geneva conventions, you know to save his own ass.
The slient majority of americans do not like this law, but really need to do more to make themselves be heard and to show the world that we stand for pinciples of human rights and dignity. We can not let these uber right wingers dictate the agenda. A common american is not in favor of this..
I don’t know which “silent majority” you speak of but a good number of americans are complicit in the actions of the Bush/NeoCon govt.; common americans know EXACTLY what Bush administration and Neo Cons are doing. They are perfectly ok with it. The biggest misconception around these “wars”, abrogation of civil liberties and re-interpretations of Geneva converntion is that they are not supported by “common” americans, they ARE! Common american believes that if them muslims are not killed over there, they’ll have to fight them over here. Common american also believes in “rendition” policies that’ll keep the homeland safe. Common american also believes in special “attention” towrads muslims.
u’ve got to be kidding me…silent majority…thats got to be the word of the century…majority n that too silent…only in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA can u have a SILENT MAJORITY that too in a DEMOCRACY…fraudian man i think rooza is getting to u… :shoaby: silent majority my butt…waise u can be a good propoganda tool u know…
not silent due to pressure, but silent due to apathy, silent due to lack of coverage, and silent because of lack of knowledge of what is going on, or silent becuase they feel that they can not make a short term impact and that they will speak up come election time and speak with their votes.
its the same as among our muslims, us normal muslims dont stand for what the extremists are sayng and doing, but we dont go out in streets every weekend to show force and make a statement that these guys do not represent us, when we do, its not news worthy so its not picked up, etc etc.
do indian and pakistani police go to a common training school? the cncepts of chitrol, littrol and drawing room ki saer seem to be in common although with potentially diff tag names.
I said a "good number" of...yes 56% is greater 44% but still it's an alarmingly high number that want less rights for muslims. These 44% and 39% are the vocal, visible ones and their opnion matters. Now you can hold your hopes high up for the laughable majority 56% and 61% but they ain't making policy in this country.
Sure there are plenty of ways to track; normal store security, ATM, and red-light cameras, Cell phone/car GPS, email/webpage bugs, IP address tags, blah, blah, blah. What's disturbing to me is the fact that 40% of the people would support these tactics, the abuse potential skyrockets when the public openly supports such ideas.
it is still a majority isn’t it.
now whether or not the people have a direct impact on policy making specially in this day and age where policies are being made from executive orders rather than thru the congress, thats a whole different discussion.
so you state that the 39% and 44% are the vocal visible ones.
even if i agree with that my point about the slient majority being against it holds true, its a majority, and its silent..
so I guess in your post where you posted these numbers you really did not have anything to counter my point Good to see we agree, even if we get there in a circular manner.
u’ve got to be kidding me…silent majority…thats got to be the word of the century…majority n that too silent…only in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA can u have a SILENT MAJORITY that too in a DEMOCRACY…fraudian man i think rooza is getting to u…
:shoaby: silent majority my butt…waise u can be a good propoganda tool u know…
Good to see we agree, even if we get there in a circular manner.