What's happening in turkey?

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That’s true and not only the media in the US, believe me. Suddenly everyone loves Turks :) When I go through social media I see so many biased, false news and pictures. For example, there is a picture going all over the internet with many people on the bridge in Istanbul. The caption: ''thousands of people are coming to Taksim'', ''this is Istanbul right now!!!'', ''the revolution has begun!!''. While it’s a picture taken long time ago from the Eurasia Marathon. Just google Avrasya maratonu or Eurasia marathon to see it.

It’s true that everyone who’s against the AKP became one. But believe me if the population supporting the AKP would protest, even in Istanbul or in other big cities, they can come with numbers much more than those in Taksim etc. Just one word and there will be millions of them on the streets. But there’s no reason for doing that.

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^ i have seen that picture on the bridge.

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Hopefully Erdogun won't fire at the crowd and in coming days people will go home.

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^
Saying that Erdogan is increasingly authoritarian is absurd. Given the former regimes used the military as defence against the opposition, especially the AKP. Also in the video he says that a 20 year old is run over by a vehicle, if he says that he needs to back it up with evidence. Everyone can make up something and put it forward. Like it or nor but the Turkish state is not secular. Because the religious and governmental institutions are not separated.

By the way Haaretz and other foreign media is not the best source for information when it comes to Turkey.

Actually Erdogan is in Morocco right now, he told his voters to be calm and quiet and believes this will fade away when he returns.

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Recently i saw a picture shared in facebook showing how the protestors littred a masjid with beer cans etc.

The way western media is trying to misrepresent this is alarming. Thank you for showing the other wise of story almiray.

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Pepe Escobar writes in today's Asia Times " Gezi park's destruction follows a globally tested neoliberalism racket; it will be replaced by a simulacrum - in this case a replica of the Ottoman Artillery Barracks - housing, what else, yet another shopping mall. It's crucial to note that the mayor of Istanbul, also from the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), owns a retail chain that will make a killing out of the mall. And the man holding the contract for this "redevelopment" is no less than Erdogan's son-in-law.."

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^^^ You meant to tell me there is nepotism involved? Btw, under pressure from Erdogan & his party Turkish media is not even reporting many of the protests around the country. That is why activists have taken to social media (as can been on the twitter and the facebook).

Many activists are calling him a dictator & this is true for most Islamist movements. They often shout slogans of democracy & freedom, but once in power they don’t tolerate any kind of criticisms. Muslims Brotherhood in Egypt and Hamas in Gaza are also examples of that.

Also see this…

http://imgur.com/a/JvJD3#SUGc9z4

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What are your thoughts on Assad, Shamraz?

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^^^ Assad should go, but if he is to be replaced by cannibals of Al-Quida than that is not an acceptable alternative.

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Who should replace Assad?

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Sorry, I hope I don't sound like I'm testing you. I didn't see you on Syrian threads so was curious to know your stance on it after seeing you here in Turkish spring thread.

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^^^ I try not to get overly opinionated about other countries internal problems b/c often internal conflicts have many factors & media tries to simplified that. Syrian civil conflict started out as Syrian people seeking to end Assad's dictatorship, but the dynamics of conflicts have shifted to the point that alternative isn't very appealing. So, this is a catch 22 situation where nether side looks good, but people of Syria are paying with their lives & once proud ancient nation is slowly being reduced to rubble.

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These demonstrations have spread in tens of cities in the country. It is stupid to say that only "drunk" people are involved in this "mayhem".
Whether they are quelled or not, it is proven that people have genuine concerns.

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People with genuine concerns usually don't riot in the streets. Protesting is their right, but illegally occupying a place for the purposes of blocking an approved development project is not cool. They had their say. Now they should go home and let the people who WON the election get about to business.

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I commend western media for exploiting on a non issue and try to make it sound like a 'turkey' spring. :)

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What Erdogan has done for Turkey no other leader including Kemal matches his success.

Besides his AKP party enjoys majority support and the media are doing nothing but exacerbating a non-issue.

Turks should be thankful for his policies. Pakistanis would die to have such a leader.

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^^^ every story has 2 sides.

Erdogan wrecking Turkey’s image as model democracy, critics say - latimes.com

By Carol J. Williams

June 5, 2013, 5:00 a.m.
The violence racking Turkey over the last five days hasn’t been about saving a few trees in densely developed Istanbul.

By the hundreds of thousands, Turks have been venting a decadelong accumulation of resentments over what they regard as Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s high-handed conduct in modernizing the famed Eurasian crossroads and riding roughshod over opponents’ views.

Erdogan unilaterally decided to replace a rare patch of greenery in central Istanbul with a shopping mall and high-rise apartment complex, despite planning authorities’ rejection and a court order to halt the work.

He also took it upon himself to name a new bridge over the Bosphorus for Yavuz Sultan Selim, a 16th century Ottoman sultan known for slaughtering the Alevi minority as well as expanding the empire’s reach.

The prime minister, who will have exhausted his term limits as government leader next year, is expected then to make a run at the presidency, and has been pushing for constitutional changes that would enhance the powers of that mostly ceremonial office.

Erdogan outraged trade unionists when he outlawed demonstrations on May 1, the traditional holiday celebrating labor. And the legislation he pushed through the Turkish parliament last month to limit when and where beer, wine and spirits can be sold has been met with accusations that he is imposing his own conservative Islamic views on the entire 80 million population.

The turmoil that began as a peaceful environmental protest last week, then flared into a national crisis after police tried to crush the sit-in with tear gas, water cannons and truncheons, reflects Turkish fears that Erdogan is undermining the country’s nearly century-old democracy and seeking to resurrect the authoritarian rule of the sultans.

Throughout the “Arab Spring” uprisings against long-ruling dictators over the last three years, Turkey has been held up by the advocates of democracy as a model for Muslim countries in the Middle East to emulate. Analysts now warn that Turkey is at risk of tarnishing its democratic credentials if Erdogan continues to disregard the needs and desires of the 50% of Turkish voters who didn’t support him.

Gezi Park, where private contractors with close government ties began uprooting trees in preparation for the building project, became the boil-over point for Erdogan critics because “all the issues people complain about are rolled up in it,” said Steven A. Cook, an expert on Turkish politics at the Council on Foreign Relations.

“It’s got crony capitalism, a brutal police force, an arrogant government and a prime minister who is accumulating power with little regard for those who disagree with him,” said Cook.

Police attempted to break up the initial sit-in at Gezi Park by hurling tear gas canisters – reportedly at protesters’ heads. The excessive use of force drew worldwide condemnation and spurred a massive, nationwide outpouring into the streets.

More than 3,000 people have been injured in the running battles between riot police and protesters. At least two young men have died in the melees that have spread to almost every major city.

Before leaving Monday on a three-day visit to northern Africa, Erdogan dismissed the violence as the work of troublemakers “arm in arm with terrorists” and said he expected it all to have blown over by the time he returns.

Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc sought Tuesday to defuse the protests with an apology for “the excessive use of force.” A day earlier, President Abdullah Gul, once a close ally of Erdogan but likely to be his rival in next year’s election, obliquely criticized the prime minister when he observed that “peaceful demonstrations are part of democracy.”

Even in Erdogan’s absence, those gestures are unlikely to mollify protesters venting anger that has been building for years.

“The contrition has to come from Erdogan, but it’s very hard to see that happening,” said Cook. “It’s just not in his makeup.”

Political analysts forecast a worsening confrontation unless and until Erdogan shows some flexibility on the Gezi Park project in particular and his style of governance in general.

“We’re talking about a very devout leader who says he rejects all forms of nationalism, yet he incorporates nostalgia for the Ottoman period in his foreign policy as well as his desire for grandeur in architecture,” said Bulent Aliriza, founder and director of the Turkey Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Among the projects planned for Taksim Square, the area that includes Gezi Park, is a replica of a 19th century Ottoman military barracks.

Aliriza describes the unrest gripping Turkey now as the collision of “the irresistible force of Erdogan and the immovable object of an unhappy population.”

He says the prime minister has two ways out of the crisis: reiterate Arinc’s apology for the police brutality and freeze the controversial Taksim Square building project, or order police to clear the square “with all that that implies in the danger of further fatalities.”

He laments that Erdogan’s “track record” suggests he’ll attempt the latter, undermining Turkey’s image as a country that put authoritarian rule and militancy behind it.

Since a Tunisian vegetable seller set himself on fire in December 2010 to protest police seizure of his cart, “the hope and expectation has been that Turkey would lead the way for these countries,” Aliriza said of the “Arab Spring” uprisings. “But when Turkish police are behaving this way, using disproportionate force against those peacefully voicing their dissent, then you cannot be a model or an inspiration to anyone.”

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He’s a conservative Muslim, and people don’t like him because of that. Anything else is utter BS.

The reaction against the G20 protesters across north america was no different, and no less arrogant. But somehow they were made to be the bad guys by the same media that are rooting for these particular protesters.

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I was talking to a friend of mine from Turkey and he tells me that the real problem is government that is pro-Islamic. It all boils down to their conservative policies like banning alcohol which hurt their tourism industry.