whats difference between sunni and shia s

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Originally posted by iqra_786:
** slm
as far as I am aware that hanifa follower pray Asar later then other madhabs. So if shias prays magrib bit later, BIG DEAL.**
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There are prescribed band of timings for each prayer. Fuqaha follow timings that they interpret as better. It does not affect the timings per se. But they are all unanimous on Maghrib. Shias are an exception for reasons best known to them, unless you are willing to offer some daleel instead of saying BIG DEAL.

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Bro since u mention abt majority, historically believers were always been minorities. The follower of Noah (as) was only few comparing to the long lives he had and preaches. Same goes with others prophet such as lut, ibrahim etc.**
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There is a subtle difference. We are talking about interpretation by scholars. In this case the majority matters. Your examples are totally irrelevant.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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Mr. FactFinder,

how do you 'interpret' the arabic word "Lail"?

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Originally posted by FactFinder:

*There are prescribed band of timings for each prayer. Fuqaha follow timings that they interpret as better. It does not affect the timings per se. But they are all unanimous on Maghrib. Shias are an exception for reasons best known to them, unless you are willing to offer some daleel instead of saying BIG DEAL. *

Slm bro, to be honest I find ur argument r quiet daft and don’t c much point of responding such as ur post regarding sholars in al azhar uni etc.

My point was that while we r tolerate towards a suuni madhab such as hanafi where they have diff timing for asar while rest of the madhabs within sunnism r unanimous on asar time. Yet we don’t make a big deal out of it but as soon it comes to shia madhab it becomes a big deal. That was my point.

As for diff magrib time I am sure shia ‘furaha follow timings that they interpret better’ as well. As for ‘dallel’ I did not think it was necessary for to come with since other brother and sister brought up daleel form quran which shia use.

The brother does not know Islam. His interpretations are personal and incorrect. Islam is not following the teachings of the four schools of thought. The four Imams, made extensive efforts to understand and simplify the deen for us. Their teachings, known as Fiqh, is the third source for reference for Muslims. The first is Qur'an. The second is Sunnah (hadeeth) of Rasool Allah.

Lol! Where did this brother said Islam is following of 4 madhab. He said ‘sunni is someone who who follows the Quran adn the sunna as taught by one of these four schools of thoughts.’

if you ‘d bother to read the post I posted abt shai/suuni diff, it says that we have diff of school due to the conflicting sunna ( hadith).

As far as I know fiqh is comes from quran and suuna. Its is not a third source independent form quran and suunah.

There is a subtle difference. We are talking about interpretation by scholars. In this case the majority matters. Your examples are totally irrelevant.

its seems 2 me that most of the things I had to say r irreverent for u. well wotever doesn’t agree with ur logics r irrelevant. U mentioned abt majority so I seahed the opportunity to say my bit regarding majority and I mentioned that I was generally speaking.

As for interpretation by scholars it depends on which scholars we r following not on majority since majority doesn’t play any role in Islam.

[This message has been edited by iqra_786 (edited November 30, 2001).]

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Originally posted by a1shah:
** Shias break the fast at the setting of the sun, as ordained in the qur'an.

The sunni version of magrib seems puzzling since the fast is broken when its still pretty bright outside.

That is why shias break it 10 to 15 mins after the sunni prescribed time as the sun properly sets. It just so happens that it is after the sunni time. We don't break it later deliberately after the sunnis. Its just that shias make sure that the sun has properly set.

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slm
exaclty i was/am bit confuse reagrding sunni timing of magrib. can anyoen clerify when is the haram time when we r not allowed to pray which falls near magrib tiem. is it b4 or after suuni time?

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Originally posted by FactFinder:
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Originally posted by a1shah:
** Shias break the fast at the setting of the sun, as ordained in the qur'an.

The sunni version of magrib seems puzzling since the fast is broken when its still pretty bright outside.

That is why shias break it 10 to 15 mins after the sunni prescribed time as the sun properly sets. It just so happens that it is after the sunni time. We don't break it later deliberately after the sunnis. Its just that shias make sure that the sun has properly set.

By the way, where in the sahihs is it written that the sunni precscribed time is the only correct time to break the fast.

Your time to break the fast would be correct - if you were blind to sunlight.

Your statement that shias delay magrib just shows your inherent ignorance in the matter.

Don't argue with us FF. You will always lose.**
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Thanks for the personal attacks. In Ramadhan, I believe they would multiply the compensation 70-fold.

When I say that shias delay maghrib, I imply that this is their general madhab - conflict. You ask me why sunnis pray early. Being in the majority, they follow the majority opinion. The onus to prove the point then falls on the minority.

For your information, there is a hadeeth in Sahih Muslim attributed to Abdullah ibn 'Amr. But you don't believe in ahadeeth from Rasool Allah, so you will not accept it. By the way, why did you ask for a reference to hadeeth, in the first place?

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Calling you ignorant is not slander, its a fact.

You seem very proud of being in the majority, yet the qur'an tells us that "the believers are always few".

You have Muwayah and Yazid in yr camp, who were in the majority.

We have the sinless progeny of our holy prophet (pbuh) as our example, who were always in the minority.

As far as the timings of magrib is concerned, why follow the majority when it contradicts the qur'an ?

Next time you break your fast, take a peek outside and see whether its bright. Then see whether you fulfil Allah's (swt) commandment as follows:
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YUSUFALI: Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread;

then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

It is because of this commandment - "TILL THE NIGHT APPEARS" that shias wait till darkness falls before breaking the fast.

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