Whats and whys of rape?

I picked up a few books on rape laws, and started reading a few articles. They start with the (unchallenged) statement that rape is a patriarchal crime because it is about power, the “need” (this need is very questionable in my opinion) to dominate, to humiliate. I think feminists have had a great hand in constructing this image of rape. While I agree that wife battery and domestic abuse are very much about domination and humiliation (carping), but rape? Really? Is rape a verbal process where the man shouts obscenities at a woman to degrade her? A lot of people use “bad language” that many would consider derogatory in a normal sexual context as well. And this thing about overpowering, about domination, well is that not true for every crime? A stick up involves much overpowering but why no gender politics built into that even though the perpetrators are nearly always men?

I thing rape is CONSTRUCTED as a crime against women, but my very premise is frought with such contention and problems that my conclusion would be rendered null and void before the people who read my paper even reach the end. Are there empirical studies showing rape arising out of a need to overpower and dominate women? Can someone convince me that this is true, because I don’t believe it is. I don’t think rape itself, as the act, has anything of the patriarchal in it, rather the repurcussions are characterized with misogyny.

Here is why I am so reluctant to believe the feminist propgandized view of rape.

Say Gottfredson & Hirschi of the “typical” rape: 60% of rape cases were between perfect strangers. Almost all occur at night and on weekends when the woman is alone. Men commit rape alone rather than as a “gang”. Fewer than 20% involve weapons (weapons would add to degradation and mind-play wouldn’t they). The perpetrators are young. They are not “rapists” - they are generalists who have been arrested for other crimes as well. Victims of rape are mostly young (peak age of victimization being 16-19) and minorities.

Now contrast this with domestic abuse, which IS degradation of women. There are not many parallels, yet rape is the ultimate crime against women.

According to G&H, here is why rape occurs: “First, there must be a victim who is attractive to an offender, available to the offender, unwilling to engage in sexual activity, and unable to resist the offender’s advances. Second, there must be an offender who is unsufficiently restrained”.

It is obvious from this that rape is about SEX, yet why do we believe feminists who have disseminated into mass culture that rape is about POWER? Convince me it is about power.

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Its a great point. The whole "Rape is not about sex but about power" argument never really made much sense to me, but we are told to accept it because its coming from some intellectually superior being. Although, to be honest, I never really spent much time thinking or researching this issue, so I will be interested in what others have to say. Hopefully the contrarian opinions will be more interesting, provided we get some.

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the fact that, as you mentioned, rapists tend to also have a past criminal history, to me, supports the argument that the overlying pathology of rape involves power and not sex.

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there must be an offender who is unsufficiently restrained".
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i think this is the most important factor. a rapist is a person who has a carnal urge and is unable or unwilling to restrain that urge. in the case of rape, the rapist forces himself against the victim. in the case of crime, the criminal forces himself against the law. in both cases, there is a power struggle where the rapist/criminal forces his will on the victim.

the difference between the rapist and the non-rapist criminal is that the rapist acts on biologically intrinsic urges. the non-rapist criminal acts on socially created situations.

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No symbol. There is no pathology. No again for restraint, rather lack thereof. G&H, two very well respected individuals in criminology from Stanford I think, use the same word for other crimes as well. Haha. Give me ideas people. I am a sad creature, I am starting on my thesis five months early.

No, there is no such thing as a "rapist", there is no such thing as specializing in a particular crime. Crimes committed drop almost as soon as they reach their peak at age 17. If it was about power and mosogyny, the rape would continue. Then for cases of abuse (i.e. verbal abuse), there is no rape convinction. Now explain that. Really, your source of education should not be the media. Please read someting empirical. I recommend G & H, and Sampson & Laub, and Glueck & Glueck. Happy reading. Please come back after you have read.

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And please check your usage of the word "power". I am not using it in denotative sense, but rather the connotation employed in feminist texts. Think misogyny if you must.

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off topic but if you say rape is only about sex then what do you think about hijab?....do u think that the people that argue that rape is a sexual act and hijab will protect women from a perpetrator finding her attractive are correct?

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You are right, off topic. I have no interest in the hijab. I have no interest in incarceration and prevention (of rape) for my thesis as well.

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ok then atleast try being a little nice if u are especially looking for help with your thesis.

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I am not looking for help for my thesis.

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Shweet made a valid point. If rape is not about power and domination then you're pretty much saying women who wear certain type of clothes and certani behavior imply they have it coming..

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u r asking people to argue that rape is not about sex but it comes across as u will bite the head off off anyone that disagrees

anyways g'luck
laterz

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Your comprehension is incorrect. My personal views don't matter. What you both are addressing is something G & H stated. Take it up with them and ask them about hijab and what women should wear. You assumed from their empirical findings, and I think you assumed incorrectly. Who cares? If you really must know, I am using gs as a place to argue with myself and not any of you. So any comment that doesn't address the topic is not one that I will answer. Too bad my refusal to answer has been labeled rude.

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Alright wahtever. Good luck :hugz:

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here in america, people try to write in complete, logical sentences. you should try it sometime, then maybe we can communicate.

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People can write logically in America? I refuse to believe you.

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ummm yea? =\

Well I guess it depends to what extent.

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hmm
Power--- which means authority meaning domination ---strenght or force
Rape----which means molest meaning violate --- *force *
men who lack ability and are unable to have the authority do things forcefully
this explains their behaVIOUR.

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Yes we can.

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its not about power…
its all about lust…
some men, i think, r just turned on when they see a woman resist…

and those who say that its abut power, just want to equate men dominating in the domestic issues to rapists…

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I agree Rape is not about sex but about power is a nonsense sprouted by men to protect their own. Rape is sex without investment that society requires men to make before allowing them the pleasure of sex. Rapists do not want to invest in the happiness of the woman involved and do not want to look after the kids that a rape can produce.