Re: What will happen
hahaha you guys give oiur society too much credit.
child born out of wedlock getting accepted??
sheesh amigos, this is a society where divorced women are often thought of as being bad, daughters of divorced women have problems getting rishtay because you no.."maan ki talaq ho gayee thee haww patah naheen kaisi aurat hai"...and forget mum...a girl gets divorced and her sisters live under that shadow..
you are expecting maturity from that society?
After all ,Islam does talk about stoning adulteres,
where does it say that?
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 6.79, Narrated by Abdullah ibn Umar
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]The Jews brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from among them who had committed illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet said to them, “How do you usually punish the one amongst you who has committed illegal sexual intercourse?” They replied, “We blacken their faces with coal and beat them.” He said, “Don’t you find the order of Ar-Rajm (i.e. stoning to death) in the Torah?” They replied, “We do not find anything in it.” 'Abdullah bin Salam (after hearing this conversation) said to them, “You have told a lie! Bring here the Torah and recite it if you are truthful.” (So the Jews brought the Torah). And the religious teacher who was teaching it to them, put his hand over the Verse of Ar-Rajm and started reading what was written above and below the place hidden with his hand, but he did not read the Verse of Ar-Rajm. 'Abdullah bin Salam removed his (i.e. the teacher’s) hand from the Verse of Ar-Rajm and said, “What is this?” So when the Jews saw that Verse, they said, “This is the Verse of Ar-Rajm.” So the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.
Ayah of Surah al-Noor, Allah says" “The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes”[24:2]
Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {if they commit illegal sexual intercourse, their punishment is half that for free (unmarried) women.}[4:25].
Muhammad (p.b.u..h) said: Receive (teaching) from me, receive (teaching) from me. Allah has ordained a way for those (women). When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. And in case of married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death". [Reported by Imam Muslim]
These hadith should be given with/in context though. I think this person does a good job---
In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
Fornication (zina) and that which leads to fornication is completely unlawful and considered a major sin. The Quran and Sunnah are quite clear about this.
Allah Most High says:
�Do not come (even) near to adultery, for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road to other evils.� (Surah al-Isra, 32)
Thus, fornication and whatever that leads to it, such as touching, kissing, embracing, informal interaction are all considered to be major sins, hence must be avoided at all times.
As far as the Islamic legal punishment for fornication is concerned, the Hanafi jurist (faqih), Imam al-Mawsili (Allah have mercy on him) states:
�It (legal punishment) is established by evidence and confession. Evidence is that four people give testimony against a man and woman that they committed fornication. When they testify (in the courts), the judge (qadhi) will inquire from the witnesses the particulars and details of what took place, the place of incident, the time of incident, and the identity of the woman involved. When they give details of all of this and they state that the woman was unlawful upon the man in every way, and that they testify the observing of sexual intercourse taking place like they see a Kohl needle entering the Kohl bottle, and the four witnesses are considered upright both privately and publicly, then the judge will give the order for the legal punishment to be enforced upon the perpetrators.� (See: al-Ikhtiyar li ta�lil al-Mukhtar, 2/312-313)
*We can see from the above text (and other such texts in the books of Fiqh) that there are detailed and stringent conditions for the legal punishment of fornication and adultery to be enforced upon an individual. *
If these conditions are not met, the punishment will not be enforced.
One should always keep in mind the objective and spirit of Shariah concerning the various legal punishments. The idea is not to enforce the punishment and make people suffer; rather the objective is to prevent harm, corruption and immorality in the society. Thus, legal punishments act as deterrents more than actually get people punished.
Allah Most High says:
�In the law of retaliation there is (saving of) life to you, O you men of understanding.� (Surah al-Baqarah, V: 179)
An example of this which comes to mind is that we see speed cameras being placed on many roads and streets (especially here in the UK!) in order to deter people from speeding in their vehicles. The idea behind these speed cameras is not to catch people speeding, rather to prevent people from speeding and causing accidents. If the aim was to catch people speeding, there would be no warning signs indicating that a camera is present. However, we see that whenever a speed camera is placed, many warnings are given that �beware this road has a speed camera�. Many of the times, the camera is not even in operation, hence, the idea is to stop people speeding rather than catch and punish them.
The same is with the various legal punishments prescribed by Shariah, in that they are prescribed to prevent people from committing unlawful actions and corrupting the society, yet the rules and conditions for a legal punishment to be enforced are so stringent that very rarely would an individual be punished. The legal punishment is considered a deterrent, but if an individual did involve him/herself in some unlawful activity, the objective now is not to get the individual punished rather to save him/her from the punishment.
This will become more evident with the following incident that took place in the time of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace):
Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates: �A man from amongst the people came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) while he (the Messenger of Allah) was sitting in the Masjid, and addressed him, saying: �O Messenger of Allah! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse.� The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) turned his face away from him. The man came to that side to which the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) had turned his face, and said: �O Messenger of Allah! I have committed illegal intercourse.� The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) turned his face to the other side, and the man came to that side. When he confessed four times, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) called him and said: �Are you insane?� He said: �No, O Messenger of Allah!� The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: �Are you married?� He said: �Yes, O Messenger of Allah!� The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said (to the people): �Take him away and stone him to death.� (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 6439)
The above incident shows the importance of trying to avert a legal punishment as much as possible. The man came and confessed to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) that he had committed unlawful sexual intercourse, yet the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) ignored him, in order that he may change his mind.
Similarly, Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that When Ma�iz ibn Malik came to the Messenger of Allah (and confessed that he had committed adultery), the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to him: �Probably you have only kissed (the woman), or touched, or looked at her?� He said: �No, O Messenger of Allah!� The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), using no euphemism, said: �Did you have sexual intercourse with her?� The narrator said: At that moment, (i.e. after he confessed that he had sexual intercourse), the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) ordered that he be stoned.� (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 6438)
This famous incident of Ma�iz ibn Malik also gives the same message, in that the Imam should try his best to avoid the legal punishment. This is the reason why it is recommended to say to the one who confesses committing fornication that �You may only have touched, you may only have kissed, are you sure you had sex, think again properly of what you are saying and think of the consequences of your confession, and other such things.
This (trying to avert a legal punishment) has been explicitly mentioned in one Hadith. Sayyida A�isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: �Keep the Muslims away from punishments as much as possible. If there is any way out for an offender to escape punishment, acquit him. It is better for a judge to make an error in acquittal than in conviction.� (Sunan Tirmidhi, no: 1424)
Due to the forgoing, the Fuqaha have laid down (based on the guidelines of the Qur�an and Sunnah) certain strict rules and conditions in order for a punishment to be established or enforced. These strict conditions can be seen in all of the various penalties that have been imposed. The following are certain rules and conditions for the punishment of committing adultery to be enforced, as mentioned in the books of Hanafi jurisprudence:
1) It is actual vaginal sexual intercourse (and not anal or oral intercourse) that takes place between a man and a woman.
2) The man and woman involved in this unlawful sexual intercourse are not married; neither is the woman a slave-girl of the man.
3) It is proven by four people testifying that they clearly observed the couple engaged in unlawful sexual intercourse without any doubt or ambiguity. They are able to say that they saw their private parts meet like the Kohl needle entering the Kohl bottle. The judge would ask them all the various details concerning the time and location of the incident, and who were the people involved and other such matters, in order to remove any doubt.
4) If the four witnesses take back their testimony before the actual punishment is enforced, then the punishment will be abandoned, and they (witnesses) will be punished for the crime of false accusation.
5) The witnesses are not allowed to delay their testimony from the time of the incident to the time of testifying. If they delayed testifying in the courts, the punishment will not be enforced, unless they were very distant from the Imam hence the delay was due to them travelling to the Imam.
6) The punishment of adultery is also proven if the perpetrator him/herself confesses to be guilty of the crime. He/she must be sane, mature (baligh) and must confess four separate times in four separate sessions that the crime was committed. The Imam will try to wave away the punishment as much as possible by saying to the confessor that �you may have only touched or kissed� and other such statements. The Imam will also inquire about the various details of the incident, and when the confessor explains everything without leaving any doubt or ambiguity, the punishment will be enforced.
7) If the confessor takes back his words before the punishment is enforced or during the punishment, he/she will be released and set free. (See: al-Ikhtiyar li ta�lil al-Mukhtar, 2/311-316 & other major Hanafi Fiqh references)
The legal punishment:
If the crime of fornication is carried out by an individual who is sane, mature, Muslim and is married to a spouse who is also sane, mature, Muslim, and that their marriage is consummated, then the legal punishment is that he/she will be stoned to death (rajm). The Imam, witnesses and other Muslims would take part in the stoning. If the witnesses refuse to take part in stoning the perpetrator, the punishment will be dropped, as this would be considered a sign of them taking back their testimony.
If the crime of fornication is carried out by an individual who does not qualify to be in the above category, then the punishment is that he/she will be given 100 lashes. These whips and lashes will be spread out over the body, avoiding the head, face and the private parts. A pregnant woman will not be whipped until she gives birth to her child and after her post natal bleeding (nifas). However, if she is to be stoned, then this may be carried out straight after giving birth.
Finally, one should remember that it is not necessary in order for one�s sin to be forgiven that he/she receives the legal punishment (hadd) for the sin committed. The reason being is that one is not obliged to confess that he/she committed adultery; hence one may keep the sin hidden and not inform the Islamic judge about it. Also the various Islamic legal punishments (hudud) are only carried out in an Islamic state (dar al-Islam) by the Imam, thus repenting to Allah Almighty will be sufficient.
The above are just some of the necessary elements concerning the legal punishment of fornication and adultery. There are other details also, but time does not allow me to discuss them, hence the above should be sufficient for now, Insha Allah.
And Allah knows best
Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
Darul Iftaa, Leicester, UK
I have highlighted some important points
I think many of these Islamic rulings are meant not so much to implement them, but more to so that general public realizes the seriousness of zina, or stealing, or murder. But then I'm not an Islamic scholar, and Umar (R), after all, DID implement these rules in his time, even so far as whipping his own child to death for alcohol use!
After all ,Islam does talk about stoning adulteres, and cutting out the hands of thieves and the heads of murders- and that's something we, as Muslims, cannot deny. These punishments seem awfully harsh, and yet it is written as part of Islam as wearing a hijab is- it is one of the more perplexing aspects of Islam. Nonetheless, one things is clear- THE CHILD SHOULD BE TREATED JUST AS FAIRLY AS ANY OTHE CHILD!
"JI NAHI ON ORTON KO JU ZINAKARI KRTI HAIN BACHA PAIDA KERNY KI BHI IJAZAT NAHI HONI CHAHIY"
Jab patta hy ky aik twaif apni baiti ko twaif hi bannay gi tu os ko is ki ijazat hi kion hai?
In orton ko patta hota hy ke aik bnada shadishuda hai osy kion phansati hai? Phir os ky jaaiz bachon ka haq najaizon ko dy do wah.
Pehly ye fairnes os ki bivi or jaaiz bachon ku tu do. Integrity and faithfulness is required in all walks of life if not only in marraige for a man. Aik faithful orat shadi ky baad puri tawju ghar shohar or bachon per daiti hai aik dosri orat jis ko patta hy ye shadi shuda merd hai os per dory dalti or phansati hai shadi ky baghyr jismani taluq or bacha pyda kerti hy. Aziyat kon sahy gi?faithful orat os orat ky liy jis ne aik bivi ky haq per daka dala kisi ki amanat main khiyanat ki os ki churi ki os ky liy hamdardian inammat wah. Aisi oladon ko isi liy muashry main maqam nahi diya jata ky aisi ortain kuch sochain bura kam kerny se pehly. Magar ye giroh is qadar mazboot hu chuka hai ky baqaida blackmail ker ky ye merdon se raqmain aintha kerti hain or phir bhi mazloom:D.
hahaha you guys give oiur society too much credit. child born out of wedlock getting accepted?? sheesh amigos, this is a society where divorced women are often thought of as being bad, daughters of divorced women have problems getting rishtay because you no.."maan ki talaq ho gayee thee haww patah naheen kaisi aurat hai"...and forget mum...a girl gets divorced and her sisters live under that shadow..
you are expecting maturity from that society?
*bas ji maturity hi had tu shuru or khatam hi wedlock se baher paida hoi olad ko qabol ker ky hi hoti hai:D
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Re: What will happen
^^ you are saying as if those tawaifs are tawaifs by will and not by force...
hahaha you guys give oiur society too much credit. child born out of wedlock getting accepted?? sheesh amigos, this is a society where divorced women are often thought of as being bad, daughters of divorced women have problems getting rishtay because you no.."maan ki talaq ho gayee thee haww patah naheen kaisi aurat hai"...and forget mum...a girl gets divorced and her sisters live under that shadow..
you are expecting maturity from that society?
True...
Re: What will happen
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Yes they are and they are by their will.Aap log ju mutasir hu rahy hain na in ki media war se jahan aik faithful bivi ko zalim jhagralo or shohar ko na samajh sakny wali dikhaiya jata hy or twaifon ko maha narm khu narm jo type or woh zara lalchi nahi. Bas aik ghar ki khwahish:cb:Ju orat aik raat ka hazaron rupiya wusool kerti hai. Baz tu sunna hai lakhon ki jaidad bhi apny naam lagwa laiti hain on ko aap kehty hain zabrdasti ki gai hy on ke sath:D **
Ok there is a HUGE difference b/w adultry and rape, goodlord don’t treat them as the same thing…
Ok there is a HUGE difference b/w adultry and rape, goodlord don't treat them as the same thing...
Adultery & Rape ky liy Urdu main aik hi laf hy zinna ya shaid zinna biljabr ka lafz rape ky liy ata hy main as same treat nahi ker rahi sirf ye keh rahi hon ke zinna zabrdasti hu tu ijazat nahi magar donon ki raza sy hu tu bhi zinna hai Ilsam main magar U.S.A main ise zina kehna manna hai:D
Yeah then criticize those damn men who have open those tawaif khanas and forcing those unprivillage women into something they don’t want, why not criticize those jerk guys who are supporting those tawaif khanas by making them success and ruining not the life of 1 women but two or more…
Adultery & Rape ky liy Urdu main aik hi laf hy zinna ya shaid zinna biljabr ka lafz rape ky liy ata hy main as same treat nahi ker rahi sirf ye keh rahi hon ke zinna zabrdasti hu tu ijazat nahi magar donon ki raza sy hu tu bhi zinna hai Ilsam main magar U.S.A main ise zina kehna manna hai:D
honestly there is no amusement in your comments. And maybe urdu dictionary needs to find different words the two things because there is hell lot of difference b/w the two and they cannot be treated as same...
Our religion has been twisted and made such a gorakh dhanda using hadees.
Quran did not specify Rajam for Muslims as the punishment for any kind of zina. Torah does. Any hadees which specifies that goes against Quran. I will not take any hadees from any collection of hadees which goes against Quran.
I do not believe in all the Ahadees from Bukhari. I evaluate on them based on my own study of religion , common sense and common logic .
Now if you believe all the ahadees from Bukkhari do you have any rebuttal to these comments:
Every mature mind has created an Image of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in their mind. This image relies on Quran and our logic, our understanding of religion. Everyone has an image of the Prophet (SAW) in his mind, some have reasons to have it while some create it just for the sake of it. For example, i Believe that Prophet (SAW) was the noble messenger of Allah. He was merciful, noble and just. He was sin-free, error-free and infallible. He was brave and had an exalted character. Every action done by him (SAW) was in accordance to the commands and guidance of Allah. Read Muhammad (SAW) Of The Quran to know more about what i believe and why do i do so.
For example, i Believe that Prophet (SAW) was the noble messenger of Allah. He was merciful, noble and just. He was sin-free, error-free and infallible. He was brave and had an exalted character. Every action done by him (SAW) was in accordance to the commands and guidance of Allah. Read Muhammad (SAW) Of The Quran to know more about what i believe and why do i do so.
“Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: While Allah’s Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka’ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, “O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones.” So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Hadith 360”
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P.S 1: Astaghfurullah astaghfurullah astaghfurullah.
P.S 2: The above commentary is not mine but I agree with it 100 percent.
P.S 3: This is just one grave example , there are many many examples
Our religion has been twisted and made such a gorakh dhanda using hadees. Quran did not specify Rajam for Muslims as the punishment for any kind of zina. Torah does. Any hadees which specifies that goes against Quran. I will not take any hadees from any collection of hadees which goes against Quran. I do not believe in all the Ahadees from Bukhari. I evaluate on them based on my own study of religion , common sense and common logic .
Now if you believe all the ahadees from Bukkhari do you have any rebuttal to these comments:
Every mature mind has created an Image of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in their mind. This image relies on Quran and our logic, our understanding of religion. Everyone has an image of the Prophet (SAW) in his mind, some have reasons to have it while some create it just for the sake of it. For example, i Believe that Prophet (SAW) was the noble messenger of Allah. He was merciful, noble and just. He was sin-free, error-free and infallible. He was brave and had an exalted character. Every action done by him (SAW) was in accordance to the commands and guidance of Allah. Read Muhammad (SAW) Of The Quran to know more about what i believe and why do i do so. For example, i Believe that Prophet (SAW) was the noble messenger of Allah. He was merciful, noble and just. He was sin-free, error-free and infallible. He was brave and had an exalted character. Every action done by him (SAW) was in accordance to the commands and guidance of Allah. Read Muhammad (SAW) Of The Quran to know more about what i believe and why do i do so.
"Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Hadith 360"
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P.S 1: Astaghfurullah astaghfurullah astaghfurullah. P.S 2: The above commentary is not mine but I agree with it 100 percent. P.S 3: This is just one grave example , there are many many examples
har koi apni 1.5 eint ki masjid bana ke baitha hai...so whats the big deal if this looney tooney does not believe in hadiths? from where all his so called knowledge and common sense regarding religion coming from? surely he was not born as a religious scholar...he must have studied someone elses brainwashing writings and thus is now talking like a brainwashed zombie. but hey...to each his own. i call such ppl...selective muslims bcos they'll keep things of their interest close to their heart and everything that stops them from doing it, they lable it as questionable as if they are the ones who really know what quran talks about and what hadith doesn't.
Our religion has been twisted and made such a gorakh dhanda using hadees. Quran did not specify Rajam for Muslims as the punishment for any kind of zina. Torah does. Any hadees which specifies that goes against Quran. I will not take any hadees from any collection of hadees which goes against Quran. I do not believe in all the Ahadees from Bukhari. I evaluate on them based on my own study of religion , common sense and common logic .
Now if you believe all the ahadees from Bukkhari do you have any rebuttal to these comments:
Every mature mind has created an Image of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in their mind. This image relies on Quran and our logic, our understanding of religion. Everyone has an image of the Prophet (SAW) in his mind, some have reasons to have it while some create it just for the sake of it. For example, i Believe that Prophet (SAW) was the noble messenger of Allah. He was merciful, noble and just. He was sin-free, error-free and infallible. He was brave and had an exalted character. Every action done by him (SAW) was in accordance to the commands and guidance of Allah. Read Muhammad (SAW) Of The Quran to know more about what i believe and why do i do so. For example, i Believe that Prophet (SAW) was the noble messenger of Allah. He was merciful, noble and just. He was sin-free, error-free and infallible. He was brave and had an exalted character. Every action done by him (SAW) was in accordance to the commands and guidance of Allah. Read Muhammad (SAW) Of The Quran to know more about what i believe and why do i do so.
"Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Hadith 360"
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P.S 1: Astaghfurullah astaghfurullah astaghfurullah. P.S 2: The above commentary is not mine but I agree with it 100 percent. P.S 3: This is just one grave example , there are many many examples
I don't understand what you are trying to prove with hadith. I don't see how that would oppose the validity of hadithes. The same hadithes that you criticize are the ones that taught us to pray! these same hadithes. The Quran does not teach us that. Every major scholar in Islam, takes gives much importance to this. They are the ONLY thing Islam has to tell us the actual life of Muhammad (s), how he lived, and the many duas he prayed, etc.
This means that we wouldn't know how to pray, fast, pay zakah, or perform Hajj without the examples given by the Prophet as recorded in the Hadith. Indeed, all necessary details are given in the Hadith, not in the Qur'an.
The revelation of each of the verses of the Qur'an took place at some critical junctures in the life of the Prophet. Of course, there are verses of universal application and significance, irrespective of the context in which those verses were revealed. But there are other verses that can be understood or interpreted only in the light of the actual context in the life of the Prophet, which called for that revelation. There are many examples. For instance, the following verse in the Surah Aali Imran:Imran 3:61)
[FONT=AGA Arabesque]**If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge hath come to thee, Say: Come! Let us gather together, our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray. And invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie.**[FONT=AGA Arabesque]] (Aali
This verse talks about mubahala (invoking the curse of Allah on those who take a dishonest stand); and was revealed when the Prophet was conferring with the Christian delegation from Najran in 631 CE This example clearly shows how we need to refer to the life and example of the Prophet to understand the context, as well as the meaning of verses, such as the above mentioned one in the Qur'an.
The foregoing shows how Hadith, in practical terms, explains, clarifies, and paraphrases the Qur'an. If we reject the Hadith, we may misread the Qur'an; so Hadith is central to a proper understanding of the Qur'an.
In the Qur'an, Allah Almighty commands us not only to obey the Messenger, but also to abide by his decisions as follows:
[FONT=AGA Arabesque]But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make you (the Prophet] judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."[FONT=AGA Arabesque]] (An-Nisaa' 4:65)
And surely we find such decisions only in the Hadith; the duty of Muslims is to accept the Prophet's decisions whole-heartedly. The Qur'an also orders the faithful to emulate the role model of the Messenger and reckons it to be the only way to gain the pleasure of Allah.
It is therefore obligatory that we look up to the Prophet's morals and exemplary character and carry them out in our lives. We can never do so without studying Hadith. It is most illuminating in this respect to learn that when `A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) was asked to describe the character of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), her definitive answer was, "His character was that of the Qur'an." In other words, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) personified the best ideals and values of the Qur'an. How could we then neglect the Hadith, which alone can lead us to the precise ways in which the Prophet exemplified the Qur'anic ideals?
Also, Mirch, Do you know how the hadithes were compiled? This article tells you.
*Collection of Hadithes *
The term Sunnah refers to whatever has been recorded of the Prophet's statements, practices, actions, and approvals. As the Qur'an was revealed in parts and passages, over a period of 23 years, it was written down, as dictated by the Prophet (peace be upon him) who received it directly from the angel Gabriel. At first, the Prophet did not wish that his own statements be recorded. This was a precaution aiming to prevent any mix up of the Hadith with the Qur'an. This was the right policy, particularly when we consider the scarcity of writing materials at the time and the fact that the Arabs were largely an illiterate community. Few of them could read and write. However, he allowed certain people to write what they heard from him, realizing that they were unlikely to confuse his statements with the Qur'an. One of these who had their own Hadith collections was Abdullah ibn Amr ibn Al-Aas.
When the Qur'an was collated and reference copies were sent to the main population centers of the Muslim state, more of the Prophet's companions and the following generation had their Hadith collections. These were either the ones they heard directly from the Prophet, or ones they learned from his companions. In the latter case, they would mention the reporter. However, the Prophet's companions were very keen to quote the Prophet's words most accurately, because they heard his warning: "Whoever deliberately attributes to me what I have not said shall have his place in hell." Fearing the strong warning, the Prophet's companions would not attribute a statement to the Prophet unless they were absolutely certain of its exact wording. Otherwise, they would declare that they were reporting the meaning, or they would put it in their own words, such as saying: "The Prophet did not allow this", or "the Prophet approved that."
When political divisions occurred in the Muslim state, and alien groups tried to exploit such divisions, they realized the strong hold Islam had on its followers. Hence, they tried to give their political stand a religious cover. They knew that only in this way could they hope to make the division permanent. They could not provide such a cover on the basis of the Qur'an, because the Qur'an is a very accurate text, known by so many people, with clear meanings, and nothing could be introduced into it. Hence they could only resort to attributing false statements to the Prophet and claim that these were Hadiths.
Hence, scholars insisted that a Hadith should not be quoted unless its reporters were known. It was then that a "sanad', or chain of transmitters, was required for every Hadith. We should remember that this happened very early in Islamic history. The Caliph Uthman was killed in year 36 H, and Ali was assassinated in year 40, i.e. 26 and 30 years, respectively, after the Prophet had passed away. Fabrication began around this time and acquired more momentum later. Hence, scholars started to be more careful in accepting what is attributed to the Prophet.
Collecting the Hadiths in book form was started by the Caliph Umar ibn Abd Al-Azeez, who assumed the Caliphate in year 99 and died in 101. He wrote to provincial governors, particularly the governor of Madinah, to ensure that all authentic Hadiths are collected. As a result, Muhammad ibn Shihab Al-Zuhri produced the first Hadith anthology. Al-Zuhri, who died in 124, was a scholar of the highest calibre. Among his students were Imam Malik, Al-Layth ibn Saad the leading Egyptian scholar and Al-Awzaie, the great scholar of Syria. He had dedicated his life to Islamic scholarship, and to the study of Hadith. Hence, he was the most suited for the task. He thus led the way. Imam Malik (died 179) then produced Al-Muwatta', an anthology of authentic Hadiths classified according to subject matter.
Hadith scholarship continued to flourish. By then, each sanad or chain of transmission was carefully examined. The idea of classifying reporters of Hadith into "acceptable" or "unacceptable" has developed and standards were clearly formulated. This is an area of study unknown in any other community or civilization. It became a "science' known as "Al-Jarh Wal-Taadeel", with very strict rules. Hadith scholars were most diligent in refining and maintaining the highest standards. They were everywhere in the Muslim world, taking care of this highly distinguished branch of scholarship. This science of distinguishing reliable reporters achieved its perfection by the two scholars Yahya ibn Maeen (died 234) and Ahmad ibn Hanbal (died 241). Ahmad was one of Al-Bukhari's teachers. Indeed, Al-Bukhari studied under both, as well as many other scholars.
By this time, many scholars had their own books of Hadith in which they entered what they deemed as authentic. It was about this time that one of the top scholars of Hadith, Ishaq ibn Rahaweih (died 238) suggested to his students that they should produce "a short collection of only authentic Hadiths" to make it available to people. The suggestion was taken up by one of those students, Muhammad ibn Ismaeel Al-Bukhari, (died 256) and the result was his Saheeh anthology. It took him 16 years of diligent work to produce it, classifying it according to subject, and entering only a very small number of Hadiths under every subheading. The selection was made according to a very stringent set of rules. For example, it was not enough that a reporter should have been alive at the same time as the one he is quoting; their meeting should be confirmed beyond doubt. When Al-Bukhari finished his work,** he gave it to Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal for review. Ahmad, the founder of the Hanbali school of thought, approved it.
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The other five collections were produced shortly afterward. They differ in the rules they applied, but their standards were very high.
How come that Hadiths graded as "poor in authenticity" found their way into such anthologies. To start with, this does not apply to Al-Bukhari and Muslim. We can almost say the same about Malik's and Al-Nassaie's anthologies. The reason lies mainly in the judgment of a particular reporter. One scholar might consider him "unreliable" while another classifies him as "reliable." Since Hadith scholars did not wish to provide a very detailed account of the reasons for unacceptability, because Islam disapproves of publicizing people's faults, information about some reporters might be lacking. Scholars would rule that a certain reporter is "suspect" or "scholars set him aside" or "unreliable." Only when they had to warn against someone that they would say things like "liar", "fabricator", "had un-Islamic beliefs."
Hadith scholarship continued after these great scholars. The result is that we have numerous anthologies, and encyclopedic biographical studies of Hadith reporters, to ensure that we can distinguish what is authentic of Hadiths attributed to the Prophet and what is unauthentic .
I don't understand what you are trying to prove with hadith ?
I understand your handicap so no problem. Peace.
I understand your handicap so no problem. Peace.
Can you enlighten me on where I erred?
Bukhari compiled the hadithes, and MOST Muslims DO believe that is the one of the BEST and MOST AUTHENTIC compilations we have- and it is the best way to understand the the Quran- for many parts of the Quran rely on the hadith as supplement for understanding.
Bukhari found the hadith authentic and thus he included it. What was he supposed to do, omit it because it does not MR. MIRCH"S IMAGE of Muhammad (s)?
Can you enlighten me on where I erred?
Bukhari compiled the hadithes, and MOST Muslims DO believe that is the one of the BEST and MOST AUTHENTIC compilations we have- and it is the best way to understand the the Quran- for many parts of the Quran rely on the hadith as supplement for understanding.
Bukhari found the hadith authentic and thus he included it. What was he supposed to do, omit it because it does not MR. MIRCH"S IMAGE of Muhammad (s)?
How can anybody be given a death penalty for something based on a couple of ahadees from Bukhari for something for which Quran did not specify a death penalty. Did quran made an error and Bukhari rectified that error with the help of Ahadees ?
If a book which can accept that Our Holy Prophet caved in to the pressure of Pagans and Nauzoobilla took his clothes off and became Nauzoobillah Nauzoobillah naked . This is so pathetic. We the Muslim believe that our Holy Prophet(SAW) was massom ul khata , meaning Allah was guarding him and he never made these kinds of mistakes even before he became a Prophet.
This puts authenticity of many ahadees in Bukhari questionable. As I said this is not the only example one more example:
Bukhari contains a hadees according to which Prophet of Allah(SAW) prescribed drinking of camel urine as cure to some people. This is the prophet (SAW)who could not stand any kind of filth to touch his clothes , how can he prescribe drinking of urine as a cure ?
Following is the hadees with reference from Bukhari.
Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"
Now don't go and google this hadees and try to prove that Camel urine in fact is a cure . I already know all the rebuttals on this hadees but none of them can convince me.