What will be the culture and language of the subcontinent after a century?

The human history in Indian subcontinent is much older than that in Europe and American continent. The current genetic research suggests that first human migration to the subcontinent occured somewhere around 60,000 years ago. Since then, waves of migration has taken place to the subcontinent and this is evident in the form of different facial features and great diversity among the people of the subcontinent.

The human culture and language is never static but keeps changing. Our ancestors in northern part of Indian subcontinent spoke SANSKRIT during prehistoric period and then it was replaced by PAALI.

PAALI was widely spoken two thousand years ago in many parts of northern India. Even our religion has changed from Hinduism to Budhism and then to Islam and Christianity and Sikh for many of us. My own ancestors in Sindh abandoned Hinduism and adopted Islam about five hundred years ago.

Our future descendents too will change their culture and would speak a different language and might adopt an unknown religion. If vedic history is researched then it seems that prehistoric women in the subcontinent had much more independence than what prevails today.

I have seen the pictures of my community taken almost hundred years ago and everyone had long hairs and beard and they all wore turbans. Today most of my community members are clean shaven and have European hair style and wear European paint and shirt.

My own grandmother always wore Islamic burka while my grand father had a big beard and wore turban. My father became clean shaven and adopted European style dress and hair cut while my mother continued to wear burka for a while and then abandoned it completely. My sisters never wore burka. My ancestors spoke Sindhi style language which continued till last generation but now my sisters and brother have adopted Urdu/Hindi as their mother tongue.

So these are the cultural changes which are taking place gradually. Today almost everybody in Urban part of the subcontinent speak a language with predominantly English words with Urdu/Hindi grammer. This is probably giving rise to a future language which would have all the English words with Hindi/Urdu grammer. Just listen to any Urdu/Hindi radio station in Canada and you would find almost everyone speaking like this.

My question is about how all this would extrapolate after a century. Is it that most of our descendents would adopt English as their language as has happened with respect to our dress and hair style? Is it that our women become more and more independent just like westernised women? It will be interesting to hear from all of you. After all internet brainstorming sometimes crop up interesting points.

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I think one day there will be a mixed cosmopolite culture all over the world and language will be the only cultural difference, neighbouring cultures have always assimilated elements from each other upon contact (e.g. sewn clothing such as Sherwani/Shalwar-Kameez and decent architecture came to India from Persians/Pashtuns) and now due to technology and communication not only neighbouring cultures but even cultures from different corners of the globe are enhancing each other and sharing elements, the process has been sped up...

I think it's already happened, whichever part of the urban world you go to whether it's Manchester, Dubai, Islamabad or Tokyo the dress, cuisine, art/architecture is the same; universal and cosmopolite (those in Manchester eat curry and those in Isb eat burger and fries).

Here in Britain Fish 'n' Chips (of Jewish/German origin) was once the nations favourite but now Curry (of Asian origin) is our "national dish". When I go to Pakistan my dress (jeans t-shirt) and dietary habits (chinese, italian, south-asian, british) remain the same...

Most aspects of culture such as clothing, food, art etc. are universal and no culture has monopoly over then, they have always changed for every ethnicity but ones language defines who one is ethnically, that's one thing we should all maintain like the Japanese, Chinese or Turks who have a universal cosmoploite culture in every way but they have retained their languages with pride. It's okay for languages to evolve and enhance their vocabulory by assimilating words from other languages if they don't have suitable vocabulory for a certain thing (e.g. computer) but unneccesarily adopting foreign words just to be cool (friend instead of dost) is so not cool, especially on FOBs...

Clothing is universal, people in our countries wear pant and shirts and here in England old English ladies wear Kaftans (of Arabic origin). The other day my little cousin was watching "Zack and Cody's Suite Life" at our house and the cute chinky girl in that was wearing salwar-kurta with a scarf around her shoulders but it was so westernised and skimpy that you couldn't tell unless you concentrated..

As far as Shalwar Kameez is concerned I think Paki men should shed it now for jeans-tshirt/pant-shirt as the latter look smarter, Salwar Kameez looks scruffy if it's from the Darzi (tailor) and the designer stuff such as by Amir Adnan looks effeminate and medieval.

Women's Shalwar Kameez however can be quite sexy and more elegant and stylish than any female-wear around the world so they should carry on wearing them, female Shalwar Kameez is versatile so it can be casual, party, formal, etc.. Now Saaris are a no-no, they looks like cocoons on most women, very few women (tall and slim) can carry them off half-decently but even they look to medieval in them..

PS. Please can you start referring to our region as South-Asian Subcontinent instead of Indian Subcontinent, the only Indian bit about it is the area comprising India..

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English and Hindi/Urdu are the main languages so it must be a mix of these two languages, because i have never seen any Pakistani speak pure Urdu, neither in life, nor on TV, all speak English-Urdu.

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This was indeed a great reply with lot of new information for me. I loved to read the whole content. Thanks for your great contribution. Okay I would refer the subcontinent as you suggest.

I wanted to cover more specially on food but then my spouse was yelling at me from kitchen and forced me to abandon further writing and editing yesterday night.

Tobacco never existed in the old world. It was only after the discovery of America, smoking became a world wide habit (specially because of Hollywood movies). Even Potato and Tomato came from the new world and became an unseparable part of our food menu. The food our ancestors consumed was much different from what we eat today. It is really a big topic.

It will be interesting to hear more from others. Come on and contribute.

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Are you positive about this claim? So you are saying that, we didn't eat or use tomatoes and potatoes like a century or two ago?

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again u started ur ranting. Why are u so obsessed with this idea son. Live with it, India is the dominant nation here and hence called Indian subcontinent. So what should be Indian ocean called. South Asian ocean.:D.

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:rotfl:

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As far as the topic goes, India within next just few years, will undergo a lot of pain and also a lot of changes will also happen. But whatever, by the turn of this century India will materially very rich. So i dont know which culture can survive with materialism.

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India is geographically and demographically the largest country in South-Asia but that doesn't mean neighbouring countries should go under its banner.

Had India been officially/internationally known as Bharat, I wouldn't have had a problem with the word "Indian" as it actually comes from the ancient name of our river and country: "Indus", but it has come to be associated with your country and no Paki wants to be considered less than anyone else..

It is a misnomer to refer to all of South-Asia as Indian, I know your country's name comes from our country's name as does your history/heritage but that particular pronounciation has come to be associated with you and we don't want it.. We don't mind being referred to as fellow South-Asians but not Indian just as you wouldn't want to be known as Paki, we live in the same geographical region and we share cultural similarities as well as racial (with bit of NW India) but we both have our own identities.

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The Gulf is sometimes referred to as the Middle-Eastern Gulf because it is more politically correct than Arabian Gulf or Persian Gulf...

It would be nice if the ocean had a neutral name but it's not really our concern as it doesn't encompass our country, whereas Subcontient does so South-Asian Subcontinent or simply South-Asia is more suitable.

If you want respect learn to respect others..

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If "culture" means treating indigneous Muslim converts as filthy-foreigners (Maleech) because they are un-Hindu or practicing the racist/discriminatory caste-system then maybe shedding such a culture will be a good thing..

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I am not hundred percent sure about it but I know Tobacco was used by native Indians of America and when new world was discovered then tobacco spread everywhere and then it was immensely popularised by Hollywood movies. I am also hundred percent sure that Corn came from new world but regarding Potato and Tomato I am not too sure. There is no original word in Sanskrit for Tomato. In Hindi Tomato is called Tamaatar.

Potato probably I would double check, it's all from my past memory

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PromPaki.. Dude.. you're clearly ignorant and biased against Indians and Hindus.. since your attitude is transparent any other good points you make would never be properly accepted by others... But again, my rant is useless.. you're an e-jihadi..

Yeah, there is nothing wrong is we start calling it the south asian subcontinent.. definitely.. its just tht when it was given the name Indian subcontinent, all this region was british india.... its not like the indians consipired to culturally and politically dominate the region and named it the indian subcontinent themselves... blah

Back to the topic.. I think english is going to become the primary language... but ppl wud still hang on to their regional languages.. the clothing wud definitely turn more western... with traditional clothing being restricted to traditional gatherings etc..

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oohhh......all my life as if i was following such a thing:D.

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he has been like that ever since he started "is being a pakistani a sin?" thread. Those goras showed him literally his 'auqaat' and to which place he belongs.

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U r south asians alright, but u belong to Indian subcontinent.:). Belonging to Indian subcontinent does not mean that u r Indian.
who wanted the countries to go under one banner. No way. But I again tell you, live with it, u cant just choose your neighbors. India as u have said is the dominant country in the subcontinent and hence called indian subcontinent. The languages are mostly classified as indo-european, the cuisine is indian cuisine, and the ocean is indian ocean . As somebody said, all these names have not been derived by Indian people. The place, the culture, and everything else are known to a foreigner by these names. We didnt create it. Besides it is a continent on its own. It has different language, religion, culture, race, and eating habits. So why not being called by the dominant country in that region. If you have a problem with it, then u have to go and complain to the whites, not to us.

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Besides, what is the definition of a subcontinent....?...a country which has all the features of a continent like deserts, forests, snow capped mountains, flora, fauna, a lot diversity among people in terms of language, culture etc etc is called a subcontinent. India all those features, hence it is called Indian subcontinent. If at all anyone has any problems, he should argue with goras who termed entire south asia as indian subcontinent. Besides, i will continue to use the term indian subcontinent, if others interpret it as south asia, it is not my fault.

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oh karachi is situated near the pacific ocean or what. Arabian sea is also part of Indian ocean son.!!!

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:smack:

No, I know Arabian sea is a part of the Indian ocean, what I meant to say was the idea of giving Indian ocean a neutral name is not as laughable as you were making it out to be as it is already done with the Persian/Arabian Gulf..

But like I said I couldn’t give a flying* tutti* about what the ocean is called because it doesn’t encompass our country the way “the Subcontinent” does.

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Ufff, it's a misnomer and there's no harm in correcting a Gora's mistake, Goray are stupid anyway, everyone from Western Sahara to Bangladesh is the same to them..

I'm South-Asian and from South-Asia, I'm not Indian anything. I have no problem with Indians, I just want to be known by my own individual identity.