I have been infront of TV since last night but haven’t been able to figure it out.
So do we know what was the difference in the 2 drafts presented while negotiation was taken place yesterday? I have heard from several Maulana’s on TV that all the Bunyadi Nukta’s were changed, however no one has cared to explain the changes, which eventually resulted in this full fledged commando operation. They all are blaming govt. for the loss of lives but are not explaining openly about the 2nd draft?
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None of the Mullahs word can be trusted. They are trained in deception and lie through their teeth.
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these two bit political mullahs have shown in this episode where their loyalties lie. I dont trust a single statement from them.
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This was on Jang few hours before the operation. He agreed but some forces in the government wanted blood shed.
Before that there were reports that Lal Masjid stalemate has neared the point of its resolution in the ongoing negotiations over Lal Masjid. It was said Maulana Abdur Rashid Ghazi would leave for his ancestral village Rajanpur area of Kachcha, where he will be put under house arrest along with his mother and the people present at Lal Majid be given to Wafaq.
There are some anti-talks people: Ghazi
ISLAMABAD: Lal Masjid Naib Khateeb Maulana Abdur Rashid Ghazi said Tuesday morning that there are some elements that do not want to let the negotiations be successful.
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And you trust American slave? http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IG11Df03.html
KARACHI - A last-minute intervention by Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf ended nine hours of negotiations seeking a peaceful end to the siege of the radical Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Islamabad.
Apparently saying he was “heavily under duress from his allies”, the president in the early hours of Tuesday instead ordered in the military to end the seven-day saga. Unconfirmed reports even say that Musharraf personally led the assault, along with Corps
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Commander Rawalpindi Lieutenant-General Tariq Majid. The media were barred from the mosque’s immediate vicinity.
Asia Times Online contacts believe that Musharraf was referring to Washington, which has in the past few months stepped up pressure on its partner in the “war on terror” to take action against al-Qaeda, the Taliban and foreign militants inside Pakistan.
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MAToos are the biggest liars of today. They lie through their teeth and through their long beards.
I'd trust what Ch. Shujaat had to say. He was truly sad due to the "hutdharmy" (jahalat) of MAToo-Rasheed.
This Mullah was given a chance to leave the compound, but his Arab overlords didn't want the Mullah to leave. Ultimately these ARab terrorists killed the MAToo.
Moral of the story: Pakistani MAToos should not touch Arabs and Afghans even with 10 foot pole.
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Sometimes ignorance is a bliss. There's no possible way for us to know what the real changes were, or whether how significant they were in derailing the negotiations, but if we continue to discuss them, it will sure strengthen the conspiracy theories and create unrest and resentment in anti Govt. quarters. Perhaps it is best not to give life to this issue by discussing it.
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And you trust American slave?
Better than trusting arab/taliban slave in this case.
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Th GOP tried to reason and negotiate with the terrorists for six months. The mullah lied in every statement he gave. You are here trying to spread more rumors and lies now that he is dispatched to hell.
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Sometimes ignorance is a bliss. There's no possible way for us to know what the real changes were, or whether how significant they were in derailing the negotiations, but if we continue to discuss them, it will sure strengthen the conspiracy theories and create unrest and resentment in anti Govt. quarters. Perhaps it is best not to give life to this issue by discussing it.
yar this is my personal opinion but I trust the Government more than the Mullahs here (doest mean that I trust these Mullah in any other affair). However I smell something fishy about all this. I mean they are accusing the govt of initiating the operation and thus the loss of lives but are not answering a simple question.
Maulana Rafi Usmani gave a long speech last night in reposnse to a phone interview by GEO. He blamed the govt for the failure of negotiation. But when asked about the difference in the Bunyadi Nuktas, he said that lets not go into the discussion. Well, if you are not willing to go into the duscussion then stop blaming the govt for the failure of negotiation.
Another Maulana did the same thing later, ignoring the questiion and continued with the blame game.
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One of the drafts had free halwa guarantee for Ghazi.
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Had there been any real diff in the drafts these Aalim Faazil Ulema would have atleast bothered to present and point out valid and reasonable differences, predictably they didn't and couldn't because it was another of their stunts. And now theyre already bad mouthing the govt.
The ministers Durrani, Ejaz, Sherpao as well as Chaudry Shujaat all said the only change was that the rough transcript was made a legal document after the meet at Pres House. Now if Ulema cant perceive legal language and formats, whose bad!?
I think the Ulema's motive to go talk was laalach! Because Ghazi Rasheed wanted to hand over the assets and mgmt to them, they came rushing in with the govt to find common ground, when common ground couldn't be reached and govt said, ok, then face the music, the forgot the govt had brought them to Isl when they saw the losing chances of laying hands on the Madressah, Lal Masjid assets etc. Pathetic and sad but thats how it seems. The govt had to beg them to mediate on the 7th day. Else they hadn't really budged on their own wih full heart. While the frontrunners of religious-political brigade in Pakistan ala Qazi & Fazal Co Political Mullahs Associates are making hay while the sun shines in London.
What Islam, what Aalim, what Ilm...!?
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One of the drafts had free halwa guarantee for Ghazi.
rats. i was hoping to slip the first halwa refernece in the thread.
now you've ruined it for me.
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:D
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I have been infront of TV since last night but haven't been able to figure it out. So do we know what was the difference in the 2 drafts presented while negotiation was taken place yesterday? I have heard from several Maulana's on TV that all the Bunyadi Nukta's were changed, however no one has cared to explain the changes, which eventually resulted in this full fledged commando operation. They all are blaming govt. for the loss of lives but are not explaining openly about the 2nd draft?
maybe the bullet point format used in microsoft word was different. they went from black dots to grey arrows or something.
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Before that there were reports that Lal Masjid stalemate has neared the point of its resolution in the ongoing negotiations over Lal Masjid. It was said Maulana Abdur Rashid Ghazi would leave for his ancestral village Rajanpur area of Kachcha, where he will be put under house arrest along with his mother and the people present at Lal Majid be given to Wafaq.
That would've been great injustice to the society if he were to let go and live in 'house-arrest', his best place is a dog-house.
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maybe the bullet point format used in microsoft word was different. they went from black dots to grey arrows or something.
Yaar Fraudia bhia, great explanation :D … True reorganization of vital signs regarding the intellectual prowess and deep insight these Mufta-e-Azaams have that is only a vowel different from respectable Mufti-e-Azaams should have. Once letter ‘I’ turns into letter ‘A’ for these self-appointed Mahafizay-e-Islam, we start seeing basic nuktas dancing and becoming biddati nuktas. And obviously, biddati nuktas are duzakhi nuktas, as that means change in Islam and thus Gunah-e-Kabir .. sorry, I mean Kabira not Kabir (Kabir jaab kabira ban jayea tou Sikhism start hou jatie hay) ;).
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rats. i was hoping to slip the first halwa refernece in the thread.
now you've ruined it for me.
Jinaab, jahan halwa wahan puri .... ub aap ke paas koi option nahin hai ... halwa and puri are both booked ... aap paneer per guzaara karain
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good one really