What The Book of Guidance Categorically *Warns* us about Homo-Sexuality

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69. There came Our messengers (The angels) to Abraham with glad tidings. They said, “Peace!” He answered, “Peace!” and hastened to entertain them with a roasted calf.

70. But when he saw their hands went not towards the (meal), he felt some mistrust of them, and conceived a fear of them. They said: “Fear not: We have been sent against the people of Lut.”

71. And his wife was standing (there), and she laughed: But we gave her glad tidings of Isaac, and after him, of Jacob.

72. She said: “Alas for me! shall I bear a child, seeing I am an old woman, and my husband here is an old man? That would indeed be a wonderful thing!”

73. They said: “Dost thou wonder at Allah.s decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you, o ye people of the house! for He is indeed worthy of all praise, full of all glory!”

74. When fear had passed from (the mind of) Abraham and the glad tidings had reached him, he began to plead with us for Lut’s people.

75. For Abraham was, without doubt, forbearing (of faults), compassionate, and given to look to Allah.

76. O Abraham! Seek not this. The decree of thy Lord hath gone forth: for them there cometh a penalty that cannot be turned back!

77. When Our messengers came to Lut, he was grieved on their account and felt himself powerless (to protect) them. He said: “This is a distressful day.”

78. And his people came rushing towards him, and they had been long in the habit of practising abominations. He said: “O my people! Here are my daughters: they are purer for you (if ye marry)! Now fear Allah, and cover me not with shame about my guests! **Is there not among you a single right-minded man?” **

79. They said: **“Well dost thou know we have no need of thy daughters: indeed thou knowest quite well what we want!” **

80. He said: “Would that I had power to suppress you or that I could betake myself to some powerful support.”

81. (The Messengers) said: “O Lut! We are Messengers from thy Lord! By no means shall they reach thee! now travel with thy family while yet a part of the night remains, and let not any of you look back: but thy wife (will remain behind): To her will happen what happens to the people.** Morning is their time appointed: Is not the morning nigh?” **

82. When Our Decree issued,** We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay, spread, layer on layer,- **

83. Marked as from thy Lord: Nor are they ever far from those who do wrong!

*Surah Hud : 11 *

The amazing yet sad thing about the matter is when we come across muslims, the agument often faced is that “prove homosexuality being un-natural scientifically, or shut your mouth” really tells us how much beleif, trust, faith, and respect is left for Allah:swt: and how much an average muslim is aware of the islamic point of view about this matter.

May Allah :swt: guide us all!

aslamualikum bro anwar........nice post......how perverted were Prophet Lut's ppl........it was the first time ever man kind indulged in SODOMY......as far as an "average Muslim" is concerned then most muslims dont even bother touching quran al-kareem.....namaz is a joke for us....and ramadan a burden.......all result of ignorance....

HILAL K

:jazak:

Absolutely correct. Homo-sexuality was, is and will be doomed.

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**82.
* When Our Decree issued,** We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay, spread, layer on layer,- **
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This particular verse is very powerful. Masha Allah.

Now this verse/s tell us how Allah punished those who practiced homosexuality. Can you now go the additional step, and link up evidence that tells us/you what should be done about/to homosexuals in this world by the justice system based on Islamic sharia?

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Kindly refer to your Question Poll

thankyouverymuch

:jazak:

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This particular verse is very powerful. Masha Allah.

Now this verse/s tell us how Allah punished those who practiced homosexuality.
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Despite this fact quoted DIRECTLY in plain words from GOD, some so called moderate and westernized Muslims will be the first to refute this because the O so Holy Americans seem to approve.

I don't think anybody has ever said practicing homosexuality is acceptable. The difference in opinion comes when people say, "let's kill them", whereas others say, "let God deal with them".

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*Originally posted by MehnazQ: *
I don't think anybody has ever said practicing homosexuality is acceptable. The difference in opinion comes when people say, "let's kill them", whereas others say, "let God deal with them".
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Exactly. And that's where we find two types of people:

1- Those who say "Kill them" provided it is done by the Islamic judiciary system (or governmental laws) .. again emphasizing.. not by individuals.

2- Those who are totally against the punishment in any circumstances because they deny the ahaadeeth and the sunnah of Sahaaba kiraam.

What I dont understand is that there is clear punishments for Adultery and Fornication (to be carried out by an islamic state) in the Quran and Sunnah, but when it comes to homosexuality people say 'leave to Allah'. I mean even if people deny the hadeeths on stoning, state punishments are still mentioned in the Quran.

How can any islamic state punish adulterers/fornicators but not homosexuals?, it wouldnt make any sense.

In reality these punishments are quite hard to prove (4 witnesses or a confession), and would rarely be carried out. It is always better to remain silent and repent.

^ Yeh, the entire argument is quite idiotic really. I mean we all know that male/male female/female marriages can not be carried out in islam. This much is understood right? So even if someone does not agree with the clear cut ahadith on this topic, then:

1) either the homosexual couple will practise in private... again since this will be in private, no one will know, and nothing can be done in either case.

2) They will do something in public.. if its public, then wont it fall under fornication anyway? for which we already have a designated punishment.

Man... the lenghts some ppl would go to, to protect such perverted thought..

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*Originally posted by MehnazQ: *
I don't think anybody has ever said practicing homosexuality is acceptable. The difference in opinion comes when people say, "let's kill them", whereas others say, "let God deal with them".
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so why dont we say the same for all criminals "let God deal with them"????

JazakAllah.

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^ Yeh, the entire argument is quite idiotic really. I mean we all know that male/male female/female marriages can not be carried out in islam. This much is understood right? So even if someone does not agree with the **clear cut
* ahadith on this topic, then:

1) either the homosexual couple will practise in private... again since this will be in private, no one will know, and nothing can be done in either case.

2) They will do something in public.. if its public, then wont it fall under fornication anyway? for which we already have a designated punishment.

Man... the lenghts some ppl would go to, to protect such perverted thought..
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Ditto. Too bad some people hold the West's values dearer to their hearts than God's values. Mind you only when its inconvenient such as controversial issues like these.

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so why dont we say the same for all criminals "let God deal with them"????
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Quite simply (or perhaps not for some) because homosexuals are not infringing on the rights of others. There is no victim, which means there is no crime. Let God deal with them is right. Intolerance is such a disgusting thing.

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Quite simply (or perhaps not for some) because homosexuals are not infringing on the rights of others. There is no victim, which means there is no crime.

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This is a slippery slope argument, and we have been through that before, I think. What "crime" is committed by two consenting adults engaging in sex-for-money (prostitution) that its made a crime in the United States? And if someone in their infinite wisdom can call it a crime, then why not homosexuality? After all, same thing. No victim. :-)

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Quite simply (or perhaps not for some) because homosexuals are not infringing on the rights of others. There is no victim, which means there is no crime. Let God deal with them is right. Intolerance is such a disgusting thing.
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LOL this is the most absurd argument I have ever heard. Why does the police arrest drug dealers? I am sure the seller and the buyer are more than happy with the transactions. Supply and demand, everybody is happy, where is the crime?

Wow, I didn't realize I was dealing with people on such an elementary level. For one thing, an intoxicated member of society is a danger to that society.

Laws are also designed to protect people, even in some cases (such as seat belt laws) when it's against their wishes. Put your thinking cap on sunny, I guess they don't have you taking law classes up there in MO either. What IS your major?

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Intoxication eh, but alcohol is fine :smiley:

Do you even have an education? I smell something burning :smiley:

^ Guys, please atleast try to act "educated". Whats the point of trading personal insults?

Stu, I see you conveniently ignored the point about prostitution. :)