Re: What the Arabs can learn from the Latin Americans
nothing dishonest about my answer. you just don't get it.
The principles are freedom, morality and respect for the individual. A slight variation you might have head of is 'liberty equality fraternity.
Suggest you try and understand what these mean before getting all worked up.
what cowardice, you want to claim democracy is best system yet you can't even answer basic question. Corporations and industrialists run democracy and make the laws!
instead of refuting this point you go on random speech about words in the dictionary and their meaning.
try this for a small english lesson answer the question asked.
Re: What the Arabs can learn from the Latin Americans
@javedmiandad - you are simply WRONG on everyone of these points. BTW I am not an American apologist - I am a very proud American of Indian origin and while there are specific mistakes that America and India have both committed for which I will have no qualms apologizing for, they (India and USA) are both far far ahead in terms of fair play.
removing trespassers from occupying private property is not police brutality. It is rule of law & civilization.
what land has USA occupied illegally? name them before I can respond!
corporations & elites do not own democracy. what makes you think that other than blind hatred?
lobbyists - it is a legal & regulated industry. wouldn't you expect to get paid for your work?
40 million in poverty - you should really look up how America defines poverty. It is a 'relative income level' threshold, relative to median income - meaning there will always be a lower income band recognized as relatively poor - so that there is a constant upward pull AND grant dollars are appropriately disseminated. I think the current threshold is over 22K! Meaning the definition of poverty is NOT people lacking any necessity!!! would suggest what the numbers mean before you abuse them in future!
unemployment rate higher amongst blacks - yes, but why do you associate that with racism? explain your connection. there are other reasons - education, lack of family structure & support are more prevalent reasons.
1.1T spent on war - yeah! someone has to fix those damned terrorists & tyrants who gas citizen. I didn't hear Pakistanis objecting to this spend until USA woke up to the ISI double-cross! ( I actually think USA should stop entering these wars for some time until economy gets better, but that is a different. Coming from a Pakistani now is sheer hypocrisy)
14T debt - why do you think the debt was incurred? too much spending. Spending on what? on welfare programs & wars. How else do you think those 'unemployed blacks' you refer to survive? they are provided welfare in terms of free food, clothing, shelter, education ... even entertainment! Not just blacks - anybody!
12m crimes .... show me which large country does not have a large crime problem? Pakistan you think?
no matter how much you twist it fundamental workings of democracy are exposed for the shallowness and failure they offer.
you say spraying pepper gas in peoples faces,using tasers and beating people with sticks is not police brutality? you need to see a psychiatrist what's next you going to say water boarding is'nt torture?
Iraq, afghanistan, somalia, pakistan,saudi arabia, kuwait, and the list goes on all illegal from the islamic point of view.
-From non muslim international law WMD's was the excuse and as everyone knows this is another fairytale made up by the pentagon.
-Bribing politicians with $4 billion cash to pass laws for corporation is work? no need to comment further your got buried with your own words here.
-How about average citizen do they have $4 billion to pass laws for them they have nothing, maybe try a phone call and see how they get ignored.
-i made mistake it not 40 million but 46 million people living in poverty in USA. you have not disproved this number by US own standards 46 million in poverty.
-black unemployment is double the white unemployment rate and you say no racism involved!!! i suggest you get off cloud cuckoo land and come back to reality.
-You did not refute anything regarding 1.1 trillion dollars spent of military adventures which are for economic greed and building military outposts.
-14trillinon dollars in debt, trillions more in derivatives debt yet to be revealed and you blame black people for that i don't see many wall street banks who gambled the money away owned by black people funny enough.
-12 millions crime you has no answer for, never mind at least you tried to defend it but failed.
Your democratic capitalist system in america has been debunked you tried your best to cover it but the facts remain it is unfair and corrupt system.
Secondly you quoted india as another good example of democracy lets dismantle that one very easily.
-over 820 million people living in abject poverty double the number in undemocratic China!
-half the World population who have to go toilet in the open live in India
-child dies every 15 second from diseases that can be prevented by simple medicines. Is this the great democracy in action? is this indian politicians working for the people?
-153 Members of indian parliament under criminal investigation some for murder and kidnapping!
-The movies and dramas portray people of india advanced in education why is it then only 15% of children reach high school?
-only 7% of the lucky 15% that actually made it to high school graduate.
-52 billionaires india last year, fantastic you would think,yet on close inspection 0.00001% of india population control 1/3 of its wealth so much for wealth distribution and equality.
India is no great democracy it has failed its weakest and poor people badly and will continue to carry on just like the american model the haves will prosper and the have nots can get lost.
democracy has been poison for pakistan it is tried and tested failed experiment producing corruption year after year, abject poverty and similar problems to india on a smaller scale.
Re: What the Arabs can learn from the Latin Americans
@javedmiandad - sorry pal, when you stop arguing and start lamenting without regard for cause and effect, while it shows your passion, it also makes it pointless.
There are some people I can convince and some I cannot. I'll chalk you to the latter group and will leave you to learn by yourself in your own pace.
Re: What the Arabs can learn from the Latin Americans
no matter how much you twist it fundamental workings of democracy are exposed for the shallowness and failure they offer.
Your democratic capitalist system in america has been debunked you tried your best to cover it but the facts remain it is unfair and corrupt system.
True the United States is hardly a shining example of democracy, they have a corrupt two party system which is influenced too easily by money interests.
Secondly you quoted india as another good example of democracy lets dismantle that one very easily.
Right again, India is hardly a decent example of democracy.
democracy has been poison for pakistan it is tried and tested failed experiment producing corruption year after year, abject poverty and similar problems to india on a smaller scale.
Nah here you are just simply wrong. Democracy was never given a chance in Pakistan, too many general taking over far too many times - the citizenry is/was stupid/ignorant to let it happen so many times. Hopefully the current horrible govt will finish its term and we'll have a marginally less stupid govt.
For better examples of democracy please look at examples of "social democracies" aka the Nordic Model - Noraway - Finland - Swededn etc. The citizenry seems well served by the state in these countries.
Re: What the Arabs can learn from the Latin Americans
@javedmiandad - sorry pal, when you stop arguing and start lamenting without regard for cause and effect, while it shows your passion, it also makes it pointless.
There are some people I can convince and some I cannot. I'll chalk you to the latter group and will leave you to learn by yourself in your own pace.
You cannot convince people of a bankrupt idea like democracy when it was so easy to expose even for ordinary person like me.
You even tried to sell the point $4 billion in bribing politicians is a legitimate work how ridiculous you made yourself look with that statement!
Re: What the Arabs can learn from the Latin Americans
True the United States is hardly a shining example of democracy, they have a corrupt two party system which is influenced too easily by money interests.
Right again, India is hardly a decent example of democracy.
Nah here you are just simply wrong. Democracy was never given a chance in Pakistan, too many general taking over far too many times - the citizenry is/was stupid/ignorant to let it happen so many times. Hopefully the current horrible govt will finish its term and we'll have a marginally less stupid govt.
For better examples of democracy please look at examples of "social democracies" aka the Nordic Model - Noraway - Finland - Swededn etc. The citizenry seems well served by the state in these countries.
I disagree in Pakistan the politicians we have are a result of the system, if the system is corrupt from the root i.e democracy then the same type of people will be produced every time in politics and society as a whole just look on street level even police taking bribes.
sweden, norway,finland etc are majority non muslims and agree on implementing an idea of democratic capitalist model there populations are tiny, it works to a degree but i won't go into details of the problems they face.
You can't simply xerox copy this template to muslim land like pakistan of 178 million muslims.
firstly the peoples ideas are in inclined towards islam, so if you implement a socialist or capitalist model immediately there will be conflict and state will be chaos it will not progress.
Famous analogy i once heard if 3 people in a boat and they each have a row and they row in different directions boat will not move just go in circle, same if we have mix of socialism, capitalism and islam what you think will happen?
Re: What the Arabs can learn from the Latin Americans
You cannot convince people of a bankrupt idea like democracy when it was so easy to expose even for ordinary person like me.
You even tried to sell the point $4 billion in bribing politicians is a legitimate work how ridiculous you made yourself look with that statement!
sensational words like "expose" may give you a sense of accomplishments but that is just you fooloing yourself.
The reason I didn't want to continue is because it felt like you have closed all intake senses and just wanted to keep saying what you wanted to say. It was like multiplying into 0.
Re: What the Arabs can learn from the Latin Americans
sensational words like "expose" may give you a sense of accomplishments but that is just you fooloing yourself.
The reason I didn't want to continue is because it felt like you have closed all intake senses and just wanted to keep saying what you wanted to say. It was like multiplying into 0.
If you want to discuss with simple minded people and sell them the bankrupt ideas of democracy you welcome you can maybe try and fool them.
the basic points exposing the falsehood and failures of democracy went unanswered you merely confirmed them as facts.