why isn’t there an islamic country out there, plently of muslim majority countries though. the closest ones are iran and saudi
. i’ve always wanted to know.
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Same thing that stops hindu country from becming completely hindu and christian majority countries from becoming completely christain.
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why isn't there an islamic country out there, plently of muslim majority countries though. the closest ones are iran and saudi . i've always wanted to know.
if it's a repeat thread, mods can delete this
Thank God there aren't more countries like Saudi and Iran. Esp Saudi Arabia. It it didn't have oil, it would be just a wasteland with perverted men with intense insecurity problems running around. Now it's insecure men who need to cover up their women because of their insecurity running around in big shiny cities.
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Same thing that stops hindu country from becming completely hindu and christian majority countries from becoming completely christain.
I don't understand though, don't all muslim majority countries strive to be islamic in every way? isn't that the ideal state of being for any muslim majority country?
hindu majority countries, for example india, are supposed to be totally secular by the eastern definition of the word, fair to all religions or they are striving to be that.
christian majority ones also strive to be secular(by the western definition of the word), separating religion from state or completely taking out God from the equation like France( right?).
most Pakistanis want pakistan to be totally islamic that's the impression i got, or the thinking is that problems are there in the country b/c it isn't completely islamic
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If they strived to be islamic in every way, they would be slamic in every way. Muslim majority countries feel that they are islamic enough according to their own social, cultural and religious standards.
Now in hindu majority country, i hear many people want to adopt hindutva, why are they not doing it?
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why isn't there an islamic country out there, plently of muslim majority countries though. the closest ones are iran and saudi . i've always wanted to know.
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It is a big topic and you will not get a short answer to cover the topic adequately.
the muslim population in the vast majority want islamic laws, islamic economics and islamic social system. The number 1 obstacle to the people getting this is the tyrant rulers who in effect are agents of america or britian and they enforce a brutal tyranical secular system on the people.
for example of this just look at syria today the people don't want assad so what does he do sends in the tanks on the people.
egypt when mubrak was kicked out what was first thing western governments said throgh their media tools "oh no the islamic forces will come to power", this is acknowledgment the governments in west mainly US and britian know the people in region want islamic rule.
The west keeps these agents because if they not there and islamic state replace them the western interest will be finsihed for good no longer will they be able to get cheap resources and play one country of against the other.
Saudi arabia is a monarchy and if you look at basics in islam there is no such thing as a king or queen or royalty it forbidden, look at their poltical actions who provides there security, so to call saudi the islamic model is biggest fraud going well maybe 2nd biggest after asif zardari.
Re: What Stops Muslim countries from being totally and completely Islamic?
why isn't there an islamic country out there, plently of muslim majority countries though. the closest ones are iran and saudi . i've always wanted to know.
if it's a repeat thread, mods can delete this
The fewer the "Islamic" countries the better I say...
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self interests
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Answer to the OP question
The so-called muslim rulers exactly knows that if they implement the islamic shariah in their country then the first person that would be hanged would be themselves for not serving the people as per the commandments of Allah all Mighty.
No Husni Mubarik, King Abdullah and Zardari would be able to mount wealth in their personal possessions, their off-springs and they themselves should be accountable for all their deeds,
This is prime reason The Muslim RULERS have created so much myth about he Shariah and have always supported the "SECULARISM" which clearly gives them a way to survive...
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If they strived to be islamic in every way, they would be slamic in every way. Muslim majority countries feel that they are islamic enough according to their own social, cultural and religious standards.
Now in hindu majority country, i hear many people want to adopt hindutva, why are they not doing it?
i really can't speak for indian members(of all religions) here that were raised in India but I personally would think that most people would not want the indian government run on hindutva principles.
the problem there is that when a country is run based on religious laws, who speaks for God? whose interpretations of the words of God are taken to be right.
the judge will always be human(has the potential tobecome greedy about power, has the potential to become imbalanced or full of hate...), God would hardly be the one ruling the country.
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- nobody knows what 'completely islamic' means
- too many find someone else's definition of islamic
- industrial revolution, information revolution and internet have made global knowledge possible
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i really can't speak for indian members(of all religions) here that were raised in India but I personally would think that most people would not want the indian government run on hindutva principles.
the problem there is that when a country is run based on religious laws, who speaks for God? whose interpretations of the words of God are taken to be right.
the judge will always be human(has the potential tobecome greedy about power, has the potential to become imbalanced or full of hate...), God would hardly be the one ruling the country.
And did it occur to you that many people in muslim majority country feel the same way? Or may be you are too prejudiced to think that muslims too like other people who want a balance between their religion, culture and aspirations.
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Answer to the OP question
The so-called muslim rulers exactly knows that if they implement the islamic shariah in their country then the first person that would be hanged would be themselves for not serving the people as per the commandments of Allah all Mighty. No Husni Mubarik, King Abdullah and Zardari would be able to mount wealth in their personal possessions, their off-springs and they themselves should be accountable for all their deeds,
This is prime reason The Muslim RULERS have created so much myth about he Shariah and have always supported the "SECULARISM" which clearly gives them a way to survive...
islam is fair to all Muslims though, all muslims are equal according to the quran. so I personally have no prejudice against a totally islamic state, if i was a muslim and lived in an entirely muslim country.
Muslims see islam as the perfect religion, so laws according to it doesn't seem that bad. I just wanted to see a working version of an entirely islamic state in the past or present. was there ever a complete islamic governing body in history, was the mogul empire ever islamic in it's laws, during which emperor's rule was it totally islamic?
i just want to know what it would be like.
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i really can't speak for indian members(of all religions) here that were raised in India but I personally would think that most people would not want the indian government run on hindutva principles.
the problem there is that when a country is run based on religious laws, who speaks for God? whose interpretations of the words of God are taken to be right.
the judge will always be human(has the potential tobecome greedy about power, has the potential to become imbalanced or full of hate...), God would hardly be the one ruling the country.
Islam has comprehensive laws on every issue for example in economy it has laws on contracts, employee rights, wages, investment, ownership of property, lending money, taxation and more this is one area of economics does indian hinduvata have comprehensive laws on how to establish economic system?
i don't think so it has such system, so it is not on same level as islam which is a complete deen not just a religion.
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A major factor is capitalism. Islam doesn't allow usury which is the basis of many modern financial instruments. The same people who are religious don't realize that the wealth available to them would be much lower if they didn't live in a capitalist system and the standard of living of people living in a Sharia country would be lower relative to the rest of the world.
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1) islam is fair to all Muslims though, all muslims are equal according to the quran. so I personally have no prejudice against a totally islamic state, if i was a muslim and lived in an entirely muslim country.
2) Muslims see islam as the perfect religion, so laws according to it doesn't seem that bad.
3) I just wanted to see a working version of an entirely islamic state in the past or present. was there ever a complete islamic governing body in history,
4) was the mogul empire ever islamic in it's laws, during which emperor's rule was it totally islamic?
5) i just want to know what it would be like.
your comments have many parts, let me try to cover them all.
1) Yes Islam believes in fairness, not only to muslims but to non-muslims as well. and this is what causes fear in the ranks of kings & king-makers in the Islamic world. Ruler in Islamic world is not entitled to the things they are entitled under secular or whatever developed version of govt we have got today.
2) Muslims in the majority of the muslim world are not allowed to vote for the govt they want, even if they do vote Islamic Govts in, often these ISlamic govt end up with the fate like the Algerians saw in early 90s and what Palestinians saw by electing Hamas.
3) In Past, there has been few, the Era Led of the Companions (Rightly Guided Caliphs) is ideal, then comes the monarchy where and then we had some small periods here and there When Islamic rule can be seen in form of Omar Bin Abdul Aziz, are few to name although more names can be provided. In today's world, the Turkish Govt can be an example, where the ISlamists took over the govt and they set the country on the path of development and prosperity. The same dream we Pakistanies have.
4) No Mughals right from the start where not Islamic, they were muslims but not Islamic, as a matter of fact, Kings like Akber had their own religion which was a mix of Islam and Hinduism.
5) It would utopia, as Islamic Shraiah has two basic things, 1) Justice for all 2) oppression for none any law based on these two would guarantee peace and prosperity.
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- Stupidity.
- A truly Islamic government is not possible as a good deal of stuff that we consider normal is not allowed in Islam.
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your comments have many parts, let me try to cover them all.
1) Yes Islam believes in fairness, not only to muslims but to non-muslims as well. and this is what causes fear in the ranks of kings & king-makers in the Islamic world. Ruler in Islamic world is not entitled to the things they are entitled under secular or whatever developed version of govt we have got today.
non-muslims can spread their faiths freely to muslims without restrictions? nonmuslims don't have to pay jizya?
not sure whether it's fair to nonmuslims too but definitely to all muslims.
3) In Past, there has been few, the Era Led of the Companions (Rightly Guided Caliphs) is ideal, then comes the monarchy where and then we had some small periods here and there When Islamic rule can be seen in form of Omar Bin Abdul Aziz, are few to name although more names can be provided. In today's world, the Turkish Govt can be an example, where the ISlamists took over the govt and they set the country on the path of development and prosperity. The same dream we Pakistanies have.
good to know, i'll research this. but Turkey runs entirely on shariah law? i wasn't aware of that. thanku
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Turkey is a secular country. No Shariah there.