Marriage is very much a worldly thing done to cater to the needs of individuals and society (individuals have biological, psychological, and social needs…sex, self-preservation, and social-interdependence…also the needs of the helpless babies. Society has its own stake in the institution of marriage i.e. the children should get preliminary training in the values, norms, and world-view of the society from parents…and the demographic strength of the society must not fall a certain threshold level otherwise the existence of the whole society will be endangered…). I don’t think there is any thing divine about marriage…Religion just puts a stamp on the marriage contract and gives it sanctity and makes it formal…This is just putting psychological responsibility on the partners with regard to the needs of partners, children, and society…But remember, a court can also formalize a marriage contract…
Imagine, if human cloning succeeds, what would happen to marrige…
In modern times, as the state gets stronger to give security and sustenance to individuals, individualism increases and institution of marriage becomes weaker…
However, I am not against religion if it operates only at sub-social level (e.g. within family to hold it together till needed). But it must not have a role at the super-structural level (e.g. to decide as in whom would lie the sovereignty or political authority, etc…).
Marriage is very much a worldly thing done to cater to the needs of individuals and society (individuals have biological, psychological, and social needs…sex, self-preservation, and social-interdependence…also the needs of the helpless babies. Society has its own stake in the institution of marriage i.e. the children should get preliminary training in the values, norms, and world-view of the society from parents…and the demographic strength of the society must not fall a certain threshold level otherwise the existence of the whole society will be endangered…). I don’t think there is any thing divine about marriage…Religion just puts a stamp on the marriage contract and gives it sanctity and makes it formal…This is just putting psychological responsibility on the partners with regard to the needs of partners, children, and society…But remember, a court can also formalize a marriage contract…
Imagine, if human cloning succeeds, what would happen to marrige…
In modern times, as the state gets stronger to give security and sustenance to individuals, individualism increases and institution of marriage becomes weaker…
However, I am not against religion if it operates only at sub-social level (e.g. within family to hold it together till needed). But it must not have a role at the super-structural level (e.g. to decide as in whom would lie the sovereignty or political authority, etc…).
Talk about demeaning an enitre population, and making fun of learning disabilities and those who cant afford college. Btw, I dont think France has anything to offer for education (both quantity and quality) that can match the UK Australia, let alone the US. The difference between you, and Americans is that they are less talk (less racist too), and more work, which is why they are a superpower and technological leader, whereas countries like France (exactly the opposite) are going down.
A frenchman being the best student of new york state, are you out of ur mind, should I start listing down some of the top schools in the state of NY and some of their alumni? I dont think 20 frenchies combined can do anything worthwhile. And then to top that you said you were more intelligent than the frenchman who you claim is the smartest kid in NY! I dont think youre that smart (nor are you close to that level), IMO.
Just a small example, do you know about Columbia University in NY, one of the country’s Ivy League colleges, trust me, you wont even get into that college, let alone thinking of topping and coming out as the smartest student of the state lol.
A frenchman being the best student of new york state, are you out of ur mind, should I start listing down some of the top schools in the state of NY and some of their alumni? I dont think 20 frenchies combined can do anything worthwhile. And then to top that you said you were more intelligent than the frenchman who y.
1- he was not french...i said coming back...in english it means that the point where he was from was the one he was at least...hence he was indeed american:D
2- do you think i like france and french people??:Dlol...if i was i would not plan on marrying and living in pak, and raising my kids in english...so that they don't know french;).....lol
sorry but after the chat we had...your opinion on my intelllligence has no value...cause i know you're not smarter than me...i'm sure of it...cause two people made fool out of you....
Even though I have no clue what you are saying, I dont think you are either, acha meri maan, aap intelligent, french people are the bomb, they are so smart, every single one of them is born smarter than an average einstein, eifell tower is the tallest building in the world, paktuns will take over the world in the next millenium, ab khush? lol
you dream only about power....stay in USA, it's your place...make money and be happy
i'll keep on praying, fasting and forgetting about those idiots dropping bombs at my people, while i'll send flowers to US army....i have nothing but my words...and i'll never have nothing but my thoughts...cause money has no value compare to Quran
i don't smoke, don't drink, don't club....and there is nothing in your country that can attract me....nothing, cause $$$can't buy faith
Paris honey, are you saying I was comparing Quran to 'drinking and clubbing' etc? P.S. you are hardly the person who shoudl be lecturing me lol, no offense, but its just not practical honey, we've been reading reciting, memorizing the Quran since we were 5 years old so if somoene who is still 'learning' because they found some love interest in a Pakistani, its all good, but you shouldnt really point fingers and hate people based on where they live.
There are amazing Muslims in the US, people like Siraj Wahaj, Yousuf Istez, Mohamamd Ali, etc all americans and hard to find gems, and broad generalizations are ignorant, suffice it to say, and as for me, I value people who dont hate an entire lot just by their place old ignorance, which seems to get the best out of them. You hate the American people, and the reason you gave is the attacks on Iraq, which is hardly intelligent, considering it wasnt the people who went to wage a war, infact you'd be surprised how many of them do not support the war, its their freedom of speech.
P.s. whats wrong in making money?? Did you know Islam actually encourages you to make money, provided you do it through your haq-halaal ki kamayi (proper methods, not cheating) and pay the proper zakaat. Im just saying that, in case you didnt know, if you did, ignore it.
Are you implying that fasting and the rituals of Islam, their practice, and the Islamic rational behind them, are inferior in some way? That they were imposed on your people? Honestly, I seriously DOUBT that Pathans will agree with you. Even if the traditions of Islam arent those practiced by your people, most Pathans will admit that Islam is superior in all ways to whatever jahaluth existed among them before Islam came along. Perhaps that is the source of your problems, your conflilct isnt with Pakistan or India, its with Islam in general.
I may not be a Pathan, but I know for a fact that when it comes to religion, Pathans will choose religion over tribalism…
You treat your people like naive young fools, like children. Your peoples history according to you, one of a people who are strong but to simple to resist the influences of foreign people… Hai, Bhacharai maskeen Pashtuns…
You shold be gratefull to the “Hindustani” Muslims for teaching you about Islam… Otherwise you may still be worshiping stones and god only knows what.
barevli school is different from deoband with differences on milad,naats,prophet had a shadow or not or was he noor or bashar etc etc
basically they all are sunni and agree on the basics of sunnism.any way i dont know what kind of islam afghanis used to follow before them and what was their "brand" of shariah
shah ahmed barelvi is a respected aalim e deen.
P.S
I dont think common sunnis follow ideologies in our part of world.they have influences some have arab others might have influences from persia some from india.shias have their rehbars in pakistan you will find shias following sistani(iraq) or khamenei(iran)everyone agrees on one fact that is following quran and sunnah.
Excellent post Syed, you should post more often bro.
Majority of pashtuns were zoroastrians, in fact it had the biggest influence on pashtun culture (other than islam ofcourse). Later on some pashtun tribes were hindu (a few I believe that rallied aganist Ghaznawi). Last has nothing against islam, he is merely pointing out that deobandism has roots in the indian subcontinent.
that’s because most good muslim would choose religoin over tribalism or seculiarism (not only pathan but all pakistani…and immigrant in pakistan)..that laws are to be based on good islamic values!
the laws of an “islamic” republic can’t ignore that 97% of pakistanese are muslims…
We’ve come full circle haven’t we? Not too long ago, Pashtuns used to say that it was because of them Islam was introduced in India, but now it has become the other way around? Some of you don’t even know what Deobandism is.
Well, the funny thing about Pathans is that depending on the type of Pathan you talk too, everything is turned against us the non Pashtuns… The religous Pathans will beat us over the head with their superior level of piety and will look down on anything and everything wich they deem as unislamic… The non religous ones will blame us for being toooo religious and will also accuse us of brainwashing the first group into becoming fanatics…
No pleasing anyone these days.
Nah, just venting my frustrations… Honestly, Pakistan may be crap hole, and rife with all kinds of injustices, but some of the so called victims are completely mad…
People who insist that every car driver must be a mechanic, painter, and upholstery expert, just live in another world.
If Dr. Israr Ahmad with huge beard cannot convince Iranian Ayatullah to say prayers in the same mosque, then who are you to suggest that one shariat is possible?
As I said earlier, if your understanding of Shria is just limted to few aspects then you should at least read Quran more thoroughly. Saying prayers in the same mosque is not the target of the Shria, providing justice and establishing a society based on Islamic principles is the target of Shria. The point is you can go to a court in Pakistan and say that I am Shia and get a verdict based on shia fiqah, so you dont need to pray after Dr. Israr Ahmed and you will still be following the Islamic Shria laws.
Once again, The Pakistani Constitution is already based on Islamic principles, if people have any doubts, or people think that the laws need to changed since that are too secular or are too "Islamic" then all they need to do is challegne them in the courts. But if you want the current laws to be implemented then one should come up with a better plan than just bashing Islam or Shria. May be ask the current administration to free the supreme court, end its advisory role and give it an Iron fist.
Sharia is supposed to be a complete code of life. Now you are trying to pick it apart. Mini Baboo! it is simple. If a code can't even bring people in one mosque, how the heck it will help provide bigger and much more complex issues such as providing justice?
Again, if your understanding of Shria tells you that they should be able to come to one mosque then you should know that they do that as well, have you seen people praying in different styles in Makkah? But again, Anti your argument is almost equal to those who want Shria and dont know what it is and those, like you, who oppose shria and dosent know what are they opposing. So enjoy your posting.
May Allah guide us all. Ameen
Dude, its just the some of the disgruntled ones living abroad who are crying. You shoudl go and visit Peshawar for yourself, and ull come across real Pakistani pathans who are very hospitable, joyous fun loving people, unlike some wannabe kabuli commies. Enjoy a nice cup of kehwa at Kissa Khawani Bazaar my friend.
did i say something to you cause you’re not pathan???