Sure Primitive tribals can destroy themselves and their area with weapons. What's the big deal about that. Even Biduins knew how to pitch tents, but the same bidus could not have built the pyramids.
destruction is easy and can be brought on by the tribals. Remember the peanut-sized brains of dinosaurs. They were pretty darn sophisticated, but not as sophisticated as mammals.
On the other hand Construction comes from higher civilization.
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Are you hiding from me? why didn't you answer my question yet? Since you claim to be such an expertise in tribal affair and civilization, here the same question again:
What is the difference between tribal Malik and Political Agent????????
Sure Primitive tribals can destroy themselves and their area with weapons. What's the big deal about that. Even Biduins knew how to pitch tents, but the same bidus could not have built the pyramids.
destruction is easy and can be brought on by the tribals. Remember the peanut-sized brains of dinosaurs. They were pretty darn sophisticated, but not as sophisticated as mammals.
On the other hand Construction comes from higher civilization.
it doesnt matter what motivates them. asking that now is like asking what motivates a rapist (for most of these whackjobs, probably literally). could be any number of things.. power trips, religiousity, greed. probably a combination of it all, that we should be least bothered with.
They were humans to begin with. We do need to know what motivates them so as to minimize incidence of other people falling into the same trap. Fighting the cause of disease is at times much more effective than fighting the disease.
if their motivations are things like wealth or political power, then the government cant really prevent people from wanting wealth or wanting power. but say it is some grievance. say you find the root cause for the disease. it is issue X.. america/sharia/underdevelopment/sui gas/whatever. do you think the government should be in the business of addressing specific issues because people are going to girls colleges and blowing themselves up? is that a legitimate way to get the government to work for you?
whatever good the government should be doing, it should be doing anyway. not because they were arm twisted into it by suicide bombers.
i didnt make that argument. but anyway.. what are they motivated by in your view, and what should the government be doing because of these motivations?
no real way of knowing i guess. plenty of theories why Idi Amin murdered people, including those offered by him. as in everything, what you believe depends on your background and biases.
as a character study I suppose it is interesting. not as far as the government's approach to the problem is concerned.
History of Taliban’s goes back to late eighties when they were fighting with Russian's in Afghanistan. Their foundations were laid with the help of army and US aid. Motivation at that time was fighting Kufr and kicking them out of Afghanistan. (Both ISI and US aid misguided them, their intentions were different) They were and still are highly motivated by religion and their tribal traditions. The brand of Islam they were practicing was acceptable to every Paki during eighties and nineties. After 911, the turn around of Mush created hatred and cracks in the unity. People who support western agenda were considered by them as kaafirs siding with kaafirs, hence suicide bombings and killings their own people.
The religion is the weakest point and most dangerous, where un-employed youth can easily come in to trap of these Taliabans who are fighting for two reasons.
Kicking out foreign forces from their lands
For sake of implementing their brand of religion.
They are still being supported by many Pakis, whether you like it or not, which also includes the faction of military whose faith matches with their faith. They are being financed foreign countries and local donations. This fight will continue for a very long time, this is the fight of ideology and self recognition.
I think money and power has nothing to with it. It is purely an unrealistic thinking.
I think report clearly says donation and extortion. The donation is definitely voluntarily from the local people. Taliban can not force local tribes, businesses or drug lords to give them money. Had this being situation, perhaps Taliban would have short lived. More over jazia from Sikhs not only voluntarily but may somewhat involved Indian intelligence to supplement the money. Read again.
*According to him, many politicians, businessmen, drug barons and jewellers in Kohat, Hangu, Thall, Kurram Agency, Darra Adamkhel and Bannu have been making periodic payments to the Taliban. *
*“So these donations are in addition to the money routinely and regularly extorted by the militants.” *
Taliban reportedly collect Rs15 million every year as “jazia” from the Sikh community in Orakzai Agency. They have also amassed huge sums through kidnapping for ransom.
Were these guys really making these donation on a voluntary basis? I very much doubt it. The Jazia from sikhs was voluntary contribution as well?
History of Taliban’s goes back to late eighties when they were fighting with Russian's in Afghanistan. Their foundations were laid with the help of army and US aid. Motivation at that time was fighting Kufr and kicking them out of Afghanistan. (Both ISI and US aid misguided them, their intentions were different) They were and still are highly motivated by religion and their tribal traditions. The brand of Islam they were practicing was acceptable to every Paki during eighties and nineties. After 911, the turn around of Mush created hatred and cracks in the unity. People who support western agenda were considered by them as kaafirs siding with kaafirs, hence suicide bombings and killings their own people.
The religion is the weakest point and most dangerous, where un-employed youth can easily come in to trap of these Taliabans who are fighting for two reasons.
Kicking out foreign forces from their lands
For sake of implementing their brand of religion.
They are still being supported by many Pakis, whether you like it or not, which also includes the faction of military whose faith matches with their faith. They are being financed foreign countries and local donations. This fight will continue for a very long time, this is the fight of ideology and self recognition.
I think money and power has nothing to with it. It is purely an unrealistic thinking.
The formation of Taliban was done by the interior minister of Pakistan Gen. Naseerullah Khan Baber, before that they were just groups who fought against Russians and drove them out of their, of course back then they enjoyed full support of US and Pakistan.
It is wrong to say that it was US Aid only, USA was fully involved in the war, they provided all the necessary gadgets required to throw the Russians out, they provided all the necessary money required to fund and train these Jihadies, who were best friend of west in those days..
Yes, when Russian left, American + west left as well, and Pakistan was left with these Jihadies who had other intentions and all of them started fighting each other and afghanistan was literally divided in 100s of little ( un-declared) countries.. creation of Taliban was an attempted to control all those elements again funded by joint operation of Pakistan and USA, taliban did the good job to control all the groups, till USA landed in Afghan and Pakistan once again sidelined with USA against the very taliban they created.
Now these Talibans in Afghanistan have strengthen themselves on the basis of fighting from the freedom from the Occupational forces, for this they are receiving arms and ammuniation from un-identified sources, they have enough arms to fight NATO and Americans plus they are fighting for the cause of freedom ( atleast this is what a simple Afghan is being told).
On the other hand, TTP pakistan has been created by same anti-pakistan elements who have been involved in religious violance and extermism back in mid 90s, where SSP and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Shia Militia groups where bombing each others mosque ( and was making sure that none of the militant of other side get killed in doing so), TTP by the very sponsors of those and have strong ties with these organization. They have no motivation other then money and that is the reason they ran like hell during Swat Operation, they never stood their ground and their leader Molana Fazullah is still on run and hiding somewhere in a cave, waiting for help from his sponsors to arrive...
Taleban is whatever the guy with the bigger gun makes it out to be. They use religion as 'company line'. Ultimately it is a power game - frankly religion itself is a power game as practiced.
Why should we care about motives. Punish them for actions.
The Taliban initially enjoyed enormous good will from Afghans weary of the corruption, brutality, and the incessant fighting of Mujahideen warlords. Two contrasting narratives explain the beginnings of the Taliban.[15] One is that the rape and murder of boys and girls from a family traveling to Kandahar or a similar outrage by Mujahideen bandits sparked Mullah Omar and his students to vow to rid Afghanistan of these criminals.[16] The other is that the Pakistan-based truck shipping mafia known as the “Afghanistan Transit Trade” and their allies in the Pakistan government, trained, armed, and financed the Taliban to clear the southern road across Afghanistan to the Central Asian Republics of extortionate bandit gangs.[17]
Although there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al-Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets.[18] Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Muslim volunteers. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan, and “by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war.”[19] FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who has been fired from the agency for disclosing sensitive information, has claimed United States was on intimate terms with Taliban and Al-Qaeda, using them to further certain goals in Central Asia.[citation needed]
The Taliban were based in the Helmand, Kandahar, and Uruzgan regions and were overwhelmingly ethnic Pashtuns and predominantly Durrani Pashtuns.[20]
No it was not created by anti-pakistan. It is kind of subsidiary to original Taliban of Afghanistan whose main purpose is same to fight with foreigners. JI, JUI and even Imran Khan have soft corner for them. Have you ever seen these guys condemned or talked against these bombings?
The TTP began to form when in 2002 the Pakistani military conducted incursions into the tribal areas to combat foreign militants spilling across the Afghan border.[2] Many of the Pakistani Taliban are veterans of the fighting in Afghanistan, where they supported the fight against foreigners by providing soldiers, training and logistics.[3] While the Pakistani military concentrated on the Afghan Taliban, small militant tribes opposed to the federal government’s control began to coordinate closely. In 2004, the groups started negotiations with Islamabad that effectively established their authority in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). By this time, the militants had killed around 200 rival tribal elders in the region and further consolidated control. In December 2007 the group officially formed under the leadership of Baitullah Mehsud.[1]
On August 25, 2008 Pakistan banned the group, froze its bank accounts and assets, and barred it from media appearances. The government also announced that bounties would be placed on prominent leaders of the TTP.[4]
In late December 2008 and early January 2009 Mullah Omar sent a delegation, led by former Guantanamo Bay detainee Mullah Abdullah Zakir, to persuade leading members of the TTP to put aside differences and aid the Afghan Taliban in combating the American presence in Afghanistan.[3] Baitullah Mehsud, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulavi Nazir agreed in February and formed the Shura Ittehadul Mujahideen (SIM), also transliterated as Shura Ittehad-ul-Mujahideen and translated into English as the Council of United Mujahedeen.[3][5][6] In a written statement circulated in a one-page Urdu-language pamphlet, the three affirmed that they would put aside differences to fight American-led forces. The statement included a declaration of allegiance to both Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden.[3][5]
Are you hiding from me? why didn't you answer my question yet? Since you claim to be such an expertise in tribal affair and civilization, here the same question again:
What is the difference between tribal Malik and Political Agent????????