What motivates Taliban?

[kakaballi]

David Rohde’s Insights Into What Motivates the Taliban | CommonDreams.org

*One could – and should – ask that question every time the U.S. or Israel engages in another military strike that kills Muslim civilians, or for that matter, every day that goes by when we continue to wage war inside Muslim countries. Rohde adds this about what motivates these Taliban:

America, Europe and Israel preached democracy, human rights and impartial justice to the Muslim world, they said, but failed to follow those principles themselves.*

Is it really about that now? Or is it about what the article closes with:
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Nearly all of the insurgents battling US and NATO troops in Afghanistan are not religiously motivated Taliban and Al Qaeda warriors, but a new generation of tribal fighters vying for control of territory, mineral wealth, and smuggling routes, according to summaries of new US intelligence reports.

Some of the major insurgent groups, including one responsible for a spate of recent American casualties, actually opposed the Taliban’s harsh Islamic government in Afghanistan during the 1990s, according to the reports, described by US officials under the condition they not be identified.*

[lapak]

Here are some interactive videos of David Rohde’s article in the New York Time. Specially watch the second video, It looks like Pak govt is still playing games with the US/NATO - Pak Army has only attacked South Waziristan and ignored North Waziristan where the Haqqani group is based who is responsible for terrorizing the Afghan civilians and NATO/Afghan troops.

1- Held by the Taliban - Interactive Feature - The New York Times
2- Held by the Taliban - Interactive Feature - The New York Times
3- Held by the Taliban - Interactive Feature - The New York Times

[shardmanny]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

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*including one responsible for a spate of recent American casualties, actually opposed the Taliban's harsh Islamic government in Afghanistan during the 1990s, *
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to bring things into prospective the person they are refering to is hekmatyar

[shardmanny]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

what motivates the taliban:

theres distinct difference of oppinion regarding how to deal with current climate. the governments have chosen a cautious approach which best suit pakistan the nation state. however many groups and people, including multiple ex dg isi's, are of the oppinion that a more confrontational pose against the united states is better.

the ttp are of the oppinion that pakistan is helping 'kuffar' and so is 'kuffar' itself. where-as the state believes its chosen course is the overall best strategy

today 20th october 2009 i personally dont know what to think! its very complicated and serious, with murder and gross manipulation seemingly committed by all the players concerned!

[krisent]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

i think it is very simple as Hillary clinton recently said what Afghanistan and Pakistan have is cartel of terrorist organizations, each ones interest is slightly different but there ultimate goal is to take on(capture power(they name the God as one of there cadre) ) Afghanistan and today even Pakistan, the analogy is imagine smuggling organizations in a country there could be many they would have connections with local politicians with police personal etc, here we are talking terrorist organizations many in numbers some created by the state some created by interests from the middle east some who have shifted here, ....

[eliana]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

hmm i think all the reasons everyones given so far are the things that motivate the heads of extremist organizations such as taliban...
the motivation for the bulk of these organizations (grassroots level members) are different...lets not forget that the lower level members of these organizations (the ones who carry out the suicide bombing, attacks, etc. are very poor people)...what motivates them is what motivates everyone...they live in societies where the income disparity between the rich and the poor keeps growing, their kids cant go to school, they are ridiculed, oppressed, have no rights...then suddenly some mullah comes along talking about grand things (god, heaven, hell, god-world relations, etc), gives them food to eat, takes their kids into a madressa where they are kept fed and clothed and makes them part of this 'brotherhood' where they are suddenly given respect and their rights are protected...okay i'll stop here lol, its just such a depressing situation and its our own fault

[niden]

This is one of the reason which motivates Taliban. They have great support from local population.

DAWN.COM | Front Page | Taliban launch fund-raising campaign

**KOHAT, Oct 18: Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan has started a fund-raising campaign in the Orakzai Agency and parts of the Kurram Agency and Hangu. **

**Sources said the TTP men were asking tribesmen to donate generously because the conflict in South Waziristan was likely to be a long one. **

**“They are demanding cash for weapons, food and medicines because it is going to be a long offensive,” said a local. **

**According to him, many politicians, businessmen, drug barons and jewellers in Kohat, Hangu, Thall, Kurram Agency, Darra Adamkhel and Bannu have been making periodic payments to the Taliban. **

**“So these donations are in addition to the money routinely and regularly extorted by the militants.” **

**Taliban reportedly collect Rs15 million every year as “jazia” from the Sikh community in Orakzai Agency. They have also amassed huge sums through kidnapping for ransom. **

They kidnapped a local trader, Fayyaz Paracha, from the Kohat-Hangu highway three days ago and demanded Rs10 million for his release. A kidnapped man, released from a TTP hideout on the outskirts of Kohat after a military operation, told Dawn some time ago that their captives termed ransom “a kind of jihad”.

[ehsan]

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This is one of the reason which motivates Taliban. They have great support from local population.

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Read the report again, it is not support but blackmail. There is a difference between people giving voluntarily and being forced to at gun point.](“http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/taliban-launch-fundraising-campaign-909”)

[hanibal]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

How much they raise from all these activities, Rs 100 Million or Rs 150 Million? is that enough to finance a war? feed and army of 10,000? provide them with latest weapons and operate latest command and control system...

[Mostar95]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

The one and only assumption: "muslmano pur bohat zulum horaha hia"!

[burqaposhx]

Holy cr@p.

Israel or America or Martians can NEVER motivate anyone to burn down their own home, or force their kids to commit suicide-bombings.

What kind of strange-logic is that one would blame everyone but himself for the lack of brain power?

Here is the real root cause!

The only thing that motivates a living, breathing human beings to burn down their own home/village/state/country is ---------

------- drum roll ---------

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primitive thinking and a very small and tough nut brain.
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These characteristics are prevalent in tribal societies such as Afghanistan and stretch out on the globe all the way to West Africa.

An aqalmand seldom repeats past mistakes especially those mistakes that resulted in burning down his/her house or death of his aulaad, and nutfa.

A nutz on the other hand will keep on repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Any smart person in Pakistan can look across the border at Afghanis and learn a basic fact.

------------- Do not do what Afghanis have been doing for the last 100 years, otherwise you will be treated like $hite and death/destruction will come to the country.

Off course the tribals and Islamists in Pakistan look across the border at AFghanis and say

----------- yes we'll burn down and bomb out Pakistan just like Afghanis have done.

[kakaballi]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

^ so, what motivates them?

[burqaposhx]

^ so, what motivates them?

The lethal combination of primitive Tribal culture and pea-sized brains. What else?

[Jalaluddin]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

Don't mix up motivation with enablement. By definition terrorism implies inability to think and reason right.

Culture enables it - gun culture, abusing the Quran, scant regard for life

An ironical combination of hopelessness and expectations is what motivates them I think. Expectations of resurrecting some deluded image of past glory; and hopelessness about having nothing else in life resultant from a lifetime of avoiding building useful skills.

in their minds it is easier to die than to live as 3rd rate people in the new world. Tribal pride will dictate that. And if you're gonna die, why not take a few along.

That is how I think they rationalize and live or die with themselves.

[Jal_Pari]

Holy cr@p.

Israel or America or Martians can NEVER motivate anyone to burn down their own home, or force their kids to commit suicide-bombings.

What kind of strange-logic is that one would blame everyone but himself for the lack of brain power?

Here is the real root cause!

The only thing that motivates a living, breathing human beings to burn down their own home/village/state/country is ---------

------- drum roll ---------

*primitive thinking and a very small and tough nut brain. *

These characteristics are prevalent in tribal societies such as Afghanistan and stretch out on the globe all the way to West Africa.

An aqalmand seldom repeats past mistakes especially those mistakes that resulted in burning down his/her house or death of his aulaad, and nutfa.

A nutz on the other hand will keep on repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Any smart person in Pakistan can look across the border at Afghanis and learn a basic fact.

------------- Do not do what Afghanis have been doing for the last 100 years, otherwise you will be treated like $hite and death/destruction will come to the country.

Off course the tribals and Islamists in Pakistan look across the border at AFghanis and say

----------- yes we'll burn down and bomb out Pakistan just like Afghanis have done.

Sadly I have to agree with this. Only people who would kill their own, are those who are extremely close minded and can't think out side the box.
They are uneducated and have much stronger believes in centuries old backward culture and traditions. They have destroyed so many girl's schools, basically stomping on their own progress. Kisi aur ka kuch nahi bigraa, spreading the jahalia.

[burqaposhx]

....... Culture enables it - gun culture, abusing the Quran, scant regard for life

An ironical combination of hopelessness and expectations is what motivates them I think. ....

Before we forget, motivation and "enablement" will be better understood if one looks at other case studies from Hutus-Tutsi, and Hindu-Christian Tamil terrorism.

Same primitive culture, same satanic forces that push people into committing terror.

[hanibal]

Holy cr@p.

Israel or America or Martians can NEVER motivate anyone to burn down their own home, or force their kids to commit suicide-bombings.

What kind of strange-logic is that one would blame everyone but himself for the lack of brain power?

Here is the real root cause!

The only thing that motivates a living, breathing human beings to burn down their own home/village/state/country is ---------

------- drum roll ---------

*primitive thinking and a very small and tough nut brain. *

These characteristics are prevalent in tribal societies such as Afghanistan and stretch out on the globe all the way to West Africa.

An aqalmand seldom repeats past mistakes especially those mistakes that resulted in burning down his/her house or death of his aulaad, and nutfa.

A nutz on the other hand will keep on repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Any smart person in Pakistan can look across the border at Afghanis and learn a basic fact.

------------- Do not do what Afghanis have been doing for the last 100 years, otherwise you will be treated like $hite and death/destruction will come to the country.

Off course the tribals and Islamists in Pakistan look across the border at AFghanis and say

----------- yes we'll burn down and bomb out Pakistan just like Afghanis have done.

does this automatically produce human like organism which can generate unlimited funds and can use sophisticated weapons systems?

[niden]

@ehsan

Read the report again, it is not support but blackmail. There is a difference between people giving voluntarily and being forced to at gun point.

I think report clearly says donation and extortion. The donation is definitely voluntarily from the local people. Taliban can not force local tribes, businesses or drug lords to give them money. Had this being situation, perhaps Taliban would have short lived. More over jazia from Sikhs not only voluntarily but may somewhat involved Indian intelligence to supplement the money. Read again.

*According to him, many politicians, businessmen, drug barons and jewellers in Kohat, Hangu, Thall, Kurram Agency, Darra Adamkhel and Bannu have been making periodic payments to the Taliban. *

*“So these donations are in addition to the money routinely and regularly extorted by the militants.” *

Taliban reportedly collect Rs15 million every year as “jazia” from the Sikh community in Orakzai Agency. They have also amassed huge sums through kidnapping for ransom.

[Mr_Dee]

Re: What motivates Taliban?

What motivates Taliban?

Money and Power.

[burqaposhx]

does this automatically produce human like organism which can generate unlimited funds and can use sophisticated weapons systems?

Sure Primitive tribals can destroy themselves and their area with weapons. What's the big deal about that. Even Biduins knew how to pitch tents, but the same bidus could not have built the pyramids.

destruction is easy and can be brought on by the tribals. Remember the peanut-sized brains of dinosaurs. They were pretty darn sophisticated, but not as sophisticated as mammals.

On the other hand Construction comes from higher civilization.