Re: what makes humans evil ?
Faith doesn't come into this. It's not simple intention, he is doing it! He's giving away all of his money. As is Warren Buffet, another atheist.
So, if some god is pouring "love in the heart", why didn't he/she/it do it so everyone helps everyone? Maybe it's god that evil? Why pick and choose?
so do you get the answer for yourself, what makes mother love her child?
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so do you get the answer for yourself, what makes mother love her child?
Millions of years of evolution! The same reason a gorilla or cheetah takes care of, protects, and provides for its off springs. It's a biological urge. If it was some deity doing it, why isn't the deity pouring love into the hearts of mothers that abuse their children or sell them into the flesh trade? There are mothers in India that would rather kill their new born daughter than deal with not having a son. Why isn't some deity pouring love into their hearts?
Evil is a subjective term people invented! One man's evil is another man's virtue. I think capital punishment is always evil, yet there are billions that justify it as good and virtuous and back by religious dogma and texts.
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Neuroeconomist Paul Zak believes its an ancient molecule in the human brain, oxytocin, which makes us feel empathy for others and causes us to behave morally.He calls it the 'moral molecule' .Acc to him,its the deficit of oxytoxin which results in the evil acts.
Do you think thats the case ?Does it mean in the future oxytoxin can be produced in labs and injected to people who need it ?
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I again agree with U. Hypocrisy is a good example of evil. Object to others when they bring Pak and Islam on every thread. U are on right track mere mohtaram bhai, keep going. 
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Millions of years of evolution! The same reason a gorilla or cheetah takes care of, protects, and provides for its off springs. It's a biological urge.
according to theory of evolution, human are evolved from monkeys and you said, pattern of loving offsprings is same in monkeys/gorillas and women. So there is no point of evolution. And, my question still stands.
Theory of evolution? It should not be an arguement. However, explain plz from where love evolve?
yes, animals too care take care of their offspring but, again, its not an arguement.
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If it was some deity doing it, why isn't the deity pouring love into the hearts of mothers that abuse their children or sell them into the flesh trade? There are mothers in India that would rather kill their new born daughter than deal with not having a son. Why isn't some deity pouring love into their hearts?
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God make living beings with natural instinct so they can decide on thier own.
These are the social problems and poverty that make mothers kill their daughters and sell their babies. Despite these factors, women still love their children.
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Evil is a subjective term people invented! One man's evil is another man's virtue. I think capital punishment is always evil, yet there are billions that justify it as good and virtuous and back by religious dogma and texts.
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ok, its your personal opinon and debatable.
Re: what makes humans evil ?
Neuroeconomist Paul Zak believes its an ancient molecule in the human brain, oxytocin, which makes us feel empathy for others and causes us to behave morally.He calls it the 'moral molecule' .Acc to him,its the deficit of oxytoxin which results in the evil acts.
Do you think thats the case ?Does it mean in the future oxytoxin can be produced in labs and injected to people who need it ?
Don't give it to men. :(
:D
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according to theory of evolution, human are evolved from monkeys and you said, pattern of loving offsprings is same in monkeys/gorillas and women. So there is no point of evolution. And, my question still stands.
I have no idea what you're asking here. And your understanding of evolution is very weak. We did not evolve from monkeys, we had a common ancestor.
The point I was making is that there is a biological urge to take care of and protect off springs. It's not limited to humans. So the notion of some god making us special is contra indicated by nature.
Theory of evolution? It should not be an arguement. However, explain plz from where love evolve?
yes, animals too care take care of their offspring but, again, its not an arguement.
God make living beings with natural instinct so they can decide on thier own. These are the social problems and poverty that make mothers kill their daughters and sell their babies. Despite these factors, women still love their children.
ok, its your personal opinon and debatable.
So, god allows some mothers to kill their children and pours love into the hearts of other mothers. That's an evil god! I bet god most often pours love into the hearts middle class and upper class women. And poor women....that's where that whole natural instinct thing comes in!
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I somewhat disagree that poverty makes people kill their own children.
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I somewhat disagree that poverty makes people kill their own children.
why do a woman sell her child?
And, I said there are social implications and social oppressions where it is really hard to grow baby as women that cause women kill their children otherwise there would a mental disorder.
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My original question “What makes woman love her child” was not to make you accept that “God pours love of baby into the heart of women”. So far your argument is, it is biological urge and it is because of years of evolution, which is very very simple and general statement and I cannot take it as satisfactory answer.
you are right, me to get the same argument from Did humans evolve from monkeys? 
however that does nothing to the Question I posed IMO.
irrelevant, nowhere I denied that. If it is not limited to humans only and animals also take care of and protect off springs then how this statement becomes argument to a Question “what makes woman love her child”?
It is just like as if I ask you to explain, what makes car move and you answer me because a bike moves that’s why a car moves.
Just get the reason why women sell their children and why they kill their babies; you will get my point that every woman loves her child.
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It doesn’t matter if you take it as a satisfactory answer or not. It’s simply the truth, whether you believe it or not. Plus, it’s backed by mountains of evidence and years of research. There is no need of a deity to explain any of it.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say with the car analogy, and it’s in no way an analogue to what I’m saying.
Let me be clear:
We are the product of millions of years of evolution. The drive to take care of our off springs, whether human or not, is the result of that. There is no deity involved in it. It’s in our nature.
Second, to your point: If some deity is involved in pouring love into mothers to take care of her child, why doesn’t this deity do it for all mothers? Why doesn’t the deity do it for everyone? Why does this deity pick and choose? Does this deity hate poor babies?
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why do a woman sell her child? And, I said there are social implications and social oppressions where it is really hard to grow baby as women that cause women kill their children otherwise there would a mental disorder.
Why doesn't the deity take care of the social implications? Why doesn't the deity pour love into everyone's hearts? That'll take care of everything!
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^ Are you an Atheist by any chance ?
(Just curious)
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Why doesn't the deity take care of the social implications? Why doesn't the deity pour love into everyone's hearts? That'll take care of everything!
God made evil and good is separate discussion.
let me tell you again, I didn't pose "What makes woman love her child" as a counter question, got it?
now my original point is "What makes woman love her child"
Re: what makes humans evil ?
It doesn't matter if you take it as a satisfactory answer or not. It's simply the truth, whether you believe it or not. Plus, it's backed by mountains of evidence and years of research. There is no need of a deity to explain any of it.
I have no idea what you're trying to say with the car analogy, and it's in no way an analogue to what I'm saying.
Let me be clear:
We are the product of millions of years of evolution. The drive to take care of our off springs, whether human or not, is the result of that. There is no deity involved in it. It's in our nature.
Second, to your point: If some deity is involved in pouring love into mothers to take care of her child, why doesn't this deity do it for all mothers? Why doesn't the deity do it for everyone? Why does this deity pick and choose? Does this deity hate poor babies?
I would take it as your belief until you realize me "What makes a woman love her child."
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kprasad, if really you are an expert zoologist, you must explain evolution in the perspective of my question.
1> Explain evolution
2> how living beings evolve
3> how behaviors of living beings evolve
4> explain with example that such behavior was NOT present in our ancestors or was present in any other form/type from where current (loving offspring) behavior evolved.
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^ Are you an Atheist by any chance ? (Just curious)
I think saying I'm an atheist is too definitive. I'd rather say: I don't know, so I'm agnostic.
I would further add, that believers, of all sorts, have not met their burden of proof for the existence of a deity. To paraphrase Stephen Hawking: Science doesn't disprove a deity, but makes a deity unnecessary.
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I would take it as your belief until you realize me "What makes a woman love her child."
It doesn't matter how you take it. That's the great thing about science, it requires evidence not blind faith. It's true whether you believe it or not!
Now, if you're saying some deity makes a woman love her child, then why does he/she/it make women hate their children? An Indian woman cut off the hands of her toddler, a few years ago. The child died. Why did the deity make the woman hate her child? Why wasn't more love poured into her heart?
A woman beat her child to death because he didn't memorize the Quran. Why didn't the deity pour love into her heart?
If your answer to any of those, rightfully, is that the women were mentally unstable. You'd be correct! However, then you're agreeing that we're driven my chemical forces and an imbalance in those chemicals can make people do terrible things. Either way, there is no need for a deity.
kprasad, if really you are an expert zoologist, you must explain evolution in the perspective of my question.
1> Explain evolution 2> how living beings evolve 3> how behaviors of living beings evolve 4> explain with example that such behavior was NOT present in our ancestors or was present in any other form/type from where current (loving offspring) behavior evolved.
I never claimed to be an expert in zoology. I'm simply stating what any person with an education should know and have learned already. I suggest you pick up a college level biology book, and find the answers yourself.
God made evil and good is separate discussion. let me tell you again, I didn't pose "What makes woman love her child" as a counter question, got it? now my original point is "What makes woman love her child"
The thesis of this thread is: What makes humans evil?
My answer to that is: Religion makes human evil. Religious texts and dogma define what evil is. Evil is subjective.
As for your other point...I have no idea what you're asking.
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It doesn't matter how you take it. That's the great thing about science, it requires evidence not blind faith. It's true whether you believe it or not!
**Now, if you're saying some deity makes a woman love her child, then why does he/she/it make women hate their children? **An Indian woman cut off the hands of her toddler, a few years ago. The child died. Why did the deity make the woman hate her child? Why wasn't more love poured into her heart? A woman beat her child to death because he didn't memorize the Quran. Why didn't the deity pour love into her heart? If your answer to any of those, rightfully, is that the women were mentally unstable. You'd be correct! However, then you're agreeing that we're driven my chemical forces and an imbalance in those chemicals can make people do terrible things. Either way, there is no need for a deity.
I never claimed to be an expert in zoology. I'm simply stating what any person with an education should know and have learned already. I suggest you pick up a college level biology book, and find the answers yourself.
The thesis of this thread is: What makes humans evil? My answer to that is: Religion makes human evil. Religious texts and dogma define what evil is. Evil is subjective.
As for your other point...I have no idea what you're asking.
I didn't say God pours love into the heart of women as it might be very specific statement. But God makes living beings with natural instincts.
this is the third time you made this argument which may or may not valid but is irrelevant for sure, third is the time I tell you it was not my point. you put this irrelevant argument again and again, because you lack evidence on this.
my point is, you failed to bring the evidence of your claim that evolution causes women love her child. once I proved you wrong, I can tell you believe in God. :)
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I didn't say God pours love into the heart of women as it might be very specific statement.
You're right, someone else said that and I mistakenly attributed it to you. I apologize.
But God makes living beings with natural instincts.
Which god is that? There are so many to chose from? Odin? Zeus? Mithra? Ra? Zoroaster?
If this god makes people with natural instincts, with the instinct to care, why doesn't this god intervene when people don't? Does he care? Does he enjoy watching poor kids in Africa starving to death? That's pretty evil!
this is the third time you made this argument which may or may not valid but is irrelevant for sure, third is the time I tell you it was not my point. you put this irrelevant argument again and again, because you lack evidence on this.
my point is, you failed to bring the evidence of your claim that evolution causes women love her child. once I proved you wrong, I can tell you believe in God. :)
I have no idea what you're saying here. Are you saying I need to prove evolution to you? Or, are you saying I need to prove evolutionary psychology?
How can you tell I believe in some god? I don't get this point...what are you saying?