SalmanNY and Ibn Siddique, your rhethoric is quite unbelievable. You bring forward premisses, but the conclusion you draw based on them is nowhere near what can be reasoned from the premisses.
Anyway, let me give it another try.
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Because to majority of the people gravyards are condidered HOLY
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Ibn Sid and Laj argue that only certain places are holy, and here you say graveyards too are holy. Anyway, why only the ‘majority’? Why not all? Why not a minority. What are the characteristics of graveyards which are not holy? Or is that only known to Allah? If it is only known to Allah, then why distinguish between actions which cannot be performed near holy graves, but can be near unholy graves, cuz we cannot know which one is which......
Secondly, where is the boundary between holy and unholy? 2 meters? 10 meters? 1 km? The fence of the graveyard? But is the fence not merely man-made? How can a man-made thing make the diff between holy and unholy?
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But i am pretty sure no body with sane minds wants to do that, I could be wrong about you again.
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why not? What’s so bad about that? In what respect can it possibly be disrespectful to the dead? Maybe it’s a good thing, cuz this way the dead can be present at the wedding as well!
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But the least a person can do is when he/she is near to his saw grave his saw surroundings respect that area as we are certain that this area was once the home of our Rasool-e-Karim
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so according to you, the nearer you are to where once the Prophet walked/lived the more holy place you are in. But where do we take the reference? Why take the earth as reference? And not the universe? Cuz in the latter case, we have to know where the earth was when He lived. But if this is too far-fetched: again, where do we draw the line? 1 meter from where he was? 2 meters? Exactly that space in time?
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I am unsure if you are a Muslim or not (less I care), but if you are, then you are OBLIGED to send Darood on Rasool-e-Karim
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irrespective of whether that Drood is compulsive or not....do I have to show the whole world (=you) that I’m sending drood...or can i just say it innerly? And how can you be sure that i didn’t send drood? And how can you judge based on this ‘speculation’ that i’m showing disrespect to the Prophet? The true sign of a good man is when he tries to keep his good actions unnoticed/without much propaganda.
Moreover, by making this very preliminary speculation, you’re disrespecting me, which clearly won’t do any good to the discussion at hand ;-)
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You are raising this stupid question of respecting those places that belong to prophet Mohammad as compare to the molecules of that time
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what’s so unreasonable/unlogical about this? I think it shud even be a more precise way of judging between holiness and not. Cuz molecules in the end ARE the building blocks by which our earth is made of.
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they are not something solid as the foot prints of Prophet Mohammad saw.
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Pray tell what is so holy about the footprints? I agree, the Prophet was a great man, the best of mankind! Very intelligent, humble and and excellent human being. But do his foot prints add any additional value to his virtue? Shouldn’t we base the respect we give to him on his virtue, more than his footprints? Aren’t his footprints a form a relic, just as in chritianity, there are many relics as well.
WE muslims are not allowed to distinguish between Prophets, then how come we don’t consider the relics from Jesus as being holy as well?
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Ibn Saddique:**
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Now I am having a go at insistence of a good friend
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what was stopping your good friend from responding? Alas, let’s carry on with the matter at hand:
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1) Makkah Al Mukarramah and it’s surrounding areas.
2) Madinah Al Munawarrah and it’s surrounding areas.
3) AQuds Al Shariff (Jerusalem) and It’s surrounding area
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where does the surrounding area stop? 1 km, 2 km, 3 km? 20 km?
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The Ka’aba is Holy by itself and the area surrounding it is holy by itself
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let’s take this statements as basis: you are saying that the surrounding area is holy by itself. One can think of why the Ka’aba is holy.....but WHY is the surrounding area holy? Only 2 things come to mind:
- cuz the Ka’aba is placed there: then we get your book-table example and conclude that the surrounding area cannot be holy
- cuz the Prophet lived/spent time there....in that case one argues why then only 3 places are holy, and not other places where he went?
Maybe you can bring about more reasons why the surrounding area is considered holy?
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Show me the molecules and I will pass the judgement
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this is the crux of the story: taking the arguments above into account and the fact that the molecules cannot be shown, makes a good case that probably the holiness, that muslims attach to different places is semi-politically/semi-historically inspired.
