What led to Pakistan PM's downfall

Departure of Lt Gen Faiz Hamid ISI chief who was supporting IK, caused downfall of IK. It is always army chief behind the firing of PMs not the other way around according to constitution of Pakistan. Peerni, his wife warned Imran Khan if he sacked Usman Buzdar as CM Punjab, would bring his downfall. How Peerni, was true in her prediction, is a question of imagination. :slight_smile:

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Imran Khan: What led to charismatic Pakistan PM’s downfall

Imran Khan has been ousted as Pakistan’s prime minister after a vote of no confidence in parliament. But what led to his downfall?

When Imran Khan was elected prime minister in 2018, he seemed to have almost everything in his favour.

A national hero from his cricketing days, he had transformed into a charismatic politician and, after years of struggle, managed to supplant the two rival established political dynasties that had dominated Pakistan for decades.

He emerged as a fresh force, with vibrant rallies full of catchy songs which, along with his huge social media presence, amplified his staunch anti-corruption message. Mr Khan promised to bring “change” to the country, creating a “new Pakistan”.

No prime minister has ever completed a full five-year parliamentary tenure in Pakistan, and Imran Khan looked as though he could well be the first.

The reason his position appeared so secure, however, also helps explain his downfall. Both sides deny it, but it’s widely acknowledged he came to power with the help of Pakistan’s powerful army and intelligence services - and now he has fallen out with them.

Mr Khan undoubtedly had significant, genuine public support in 2018.

But he also had the covert backing of what in Pakistan is referred to as “the establishment” or the military. The army has either directly or indirectly controlled the country for most of its existence, and critics labelled Imran Khan’s government a “hybrid regime”.

The support for Mr Khan exemplified itself in a host of different ways. During the 2018 election campaign, media outlets reporting sympathetically on his opponents had their distribution curtailed, while some candidates standing for election were either cajoled or coerced into joining his party.

“He was made by them,” one defecting member of Imran Khan’s party told the BBC, referring to the military. “They were the ones that brought him into power.”
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His chief opponent, Nawaz Sharif, was first disqualified and then convicted on corruption charges. Many suspected that Mr Sharif had indeed been involved in corruption in the past - but the real reason he was being punished at this stage was his own falling out with the army.

Mr Sharif had started his political career as a protĂ©gĂ© of a military dictator before later growing more independent and invoking the ire of the “establishment”. He has always denied being involved in corruption, claiming the charges are politically motivated.

After coming to power, Mr Khan, by contrast, proudly proclaimed he and the army were on “one page” when it came to policy decisions.

The results worried civil society activists, with a spate of attacks and abductions targeting journalists and commentators critical of both Mr Khan’s government and the intelligence services. They both denied involvement, but no other culprit was ever identified.
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Mr Khan has insisted his focus is on improving governance, and he has made some impressive expansions to the social welfare system, introducing a health insurance scheme in large parts of the country, for example.

However, in other areas he has faltered. His decision to appoint an inexperienced and underqualified political newcomer to a key position, chief minister of Punjab, the country’s most populous province, was widely ridiculed.

At a loss to explain why Mr Khan refused to replace his appointee, Usman Buzdar, despite overwhelming criticism, rumours spread that the prime minister’s wife, a spiritual guide of sorts, had warned him Mr Buzdar was a good omen and - if he were to be sacked - his entire government would collapse.

There were other challenges, too. The cost of living in Pakistan has been rocketing up, with sharp rises in food prices and the rupee falling against the dollar.

Imran Khan’s supporters blame global conditions, but public resentment against him has been rising. “The Sharifs might’ve filled themselves up, but at least they got work done,” has become a common grumble.

Still, for a while, the prime minister looked to be the best bet for the military. He cut an impressive figure on the world stage and his decision not to order a complete lockdown during the coronavirus pandemic was vindicated by fewer than expected deaths - though no-one can still be exactly sure why.
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Meanwhile, his opponents were becoming increasingly vocal in their opposition to the military, naming the army chief, Gen Bajwa, and the head of the intelligence services (ISI), Lt Gen Faiz Hameed, as being responsible for “selecting” Imran Khan to office.

The dynamic changed dramatically last year. A number of observers told the BBC the army began to grow increasingly frustrated with Mr Khan’s failure to deliver good governance, particularly in Punjab, and perhaps at how they were being publicly blamed for bringing him into power by the opposition.

Most crucially, a rift began to appear between Gen Bajwa and Lt Gen Faiz Hameed, who was widely seen as hoping to become the next army chief.

Lt Gen Hameed was apparently so confident of his prospects that he had even previously told officials in neighbouring Afghanistan he would be the next man in charge of the army.

However, one source close to the military said that while Lt Gen Hameed was seen as someone who could handle “dirty jobs” effectively, a reference to manipulating politicians or silencing critics, he was not seen as someone fit “to lead the institution”.

The tension between the two powerful figures was noticed during a private interaction with influential commentators last summer. One journalist asked a question, only to be told by the head of the ISI that time had run out.

“I’m the chief,” interjected Gen Bajwa curtly, “and I’ll decide when we’re done,” before proceeding to take the question and answer it at leisure.

In October, the dispute escalated and enveloped Imran Khan. Gen Bajwa was understood to want a new man in charge of the intelligence services, and the army announced a change in roles.

Mr Khan, however, who had developed a close relationship with Lt Gen Faiz Hameed, resisted, apparently wanting him to stay on until elections had taken place - the assumption being that Lt Gen Hameed could once again help ensure Mr Khan’s victory.

The prime minister held off issuing a formal notification approving the change of posting for nearly three weeks before eventually relenting. The now visible cracks between the military and Imran Khan’s government emboldened the opposition.

When they began plotting a vote of no confidence, and sounding out potential defectors from within his party and coalition allies, a number of sources told the BBC, the military made clear that they were going to be “neutral” on this occasion.

One defecting member of Mr Khan’s party told the BBC he and other parliamentarians used to receive “calls” from the intelligence services, directing them on what to do.

“We used to be manhandled,” he said indignantly. However, once Lt Gen Faiz Hameed left office, the “calls” stopped. “Now the army is not interfering,” he added.

Journalist Kamran Yousaf told the BBC that the military had been involved in “managing” Imran Khan’s allies and slim majority in government. “Once that support was missing, his downfall was inevitable,” he said.

Further differences have emerged between Mr Khan and the army, too, notably on foreign policy. Although he defended visiting Moscow on the day Russian troops crossed into Ukraine and brusquely rejected attempts by Western officials to issue a condemnation of President Vladimir Putin’s behaviour, Gen Bajwa said last week that the invasion “must be stopped immediately”.

Mr Yousaf said Imran Khan had also earlier “scuttled” an attempt championed by Gen Bajwa to partially restore trade with regional rival India, “because of the political cost”. Ironically, previous civilian governments have fallen foul of the Pakistani military because they have been in favour of improving ties with India - but at that stage, the military wasn’t.

Mr Khan, however, has repeatedly indicated he will not give up the fight. He alleges he is the victim of a US-led attempt to affect “regime change” in Pakistan, because of the anti-Western tilt in his foreign policy, which has included criticism of America’s war in Afghanistan.

Most analysts have dismissed this as a deliberate exaggeration of a diplomatic cable sent by the Pakistani ambassador in Washington.

It’s a narrative, however, that does appear to be resonating with Mr Khan’s supporters, tapping into a reservoir of anti-Americanism in the country.

Ironically, the Pakistani army has itself fuelled an atmosphere conducive to conspiracy theories, by repeatedly warning of the dangers of vague “foreign plots” or “foreign agendas”.

Mr Khan once told his cricket team to “fight like cornered tigers” and he looks set to be a formidable character in opposition.

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Yup, in a very short summary those who brought him , took him out as well.

And thats why just like i never understood celebration of PTI fans on assembly dissolving, a totally unconstitutional act, I dont get celebration on new govt either.

Those who "selected" IK have now selected SS. Its that simple. Democratic institutions are still very weak and establishment is still too powerful

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Cricket is cricket. Politics is politics.

IK did not act appropriately all throughout during his tenure and in the last months but others did.

A lot of mistakes by IK.
Many of those mistakes were based on his lack of experience and also him trying to fool people.

Yes. Trying to fool people.

He surrounded himself with many opportunists, lotas and greedy people yet he thought those lotas would be loyal. Big mistake. Some lotas might have expectations of other reward but did not get.

Jin pe takiya Tha Wohi Lotay Hawa Dene Lagay.

This does not mean in anyway that ML-N or PPP and others are angels. No.

It was a battle of who is most evil.

Most evils won based on the rule of politics all over the world.

Please read carefully:

**Politics of the countries by default bring the most Evil and ruthless person...... or any person good or bad who has the support of the evil power..... on to the highest post.

If the support of the evil powers is gone, even the nicest person loses the position.** :)

It is true that “Democratic institutions are still very weak and establishment is still too powerful” but the events of the last week do represent progress.

The army was actively supporting PTI and actively opposing the opposition. It has been forced to back down from doing both. The new govt is standing on its own feet. It is not being propped by the army as PTI was. It remains to be seen how much the new govt will assert itself against the army. The litmus test is the issue of enforced disappearances.

Another positive thing that has happened is that PTI supporters are out in the street chanting slogans against the army. That basically means that the army has no substantive constituency left among the political parties.

All these are at least small steps in the right direction.

IK has been ousted due to his incompetence and poor governance. The success of the vote of no-confidence is a win for all those who believe in rule of law in Pakistan. IK blatantly violated the constitution and then flouted the orders of the Supreme Court regarding the vote of no-confidence. The boss move by the Supreme Court and Islamabad High Court to open up at midnight to proceed with contempt proceedings made me so happy and confident about the future of Pakistan.

The fearlessness of law in Pakistan is at the core of many social problems in Pakistan. The burning up of the Srilankan man would not have happened if his attackers didn’t have such fearlessness of law. Had IK succeeded in flouting Supreme Court orders so blatantly, it would have had a terrible impact on the social signaling within Pakistani society. Every time the constitution has been treated like a piece of paper in the past, moral decadence in Pakistani society has increased. Over 100 prominent Pakistanis asked the SC to bury the ‘doctrine of necessity’. And the SC responded with its historic 5-0 verdict and then moved in again at midnight to uphold it.

Toward the very end IK wanted to destroy the constitution, the parliament, the judiciary, the military as well as his own party for the sake of his chair. That was when the military moved in and did what they did.

Agree with all except the ‘evil’ part. Yes, politics require smart people, not fools who do not have a clue how criminals of deep state making those in charge dance to their tunes in making the whole country suffer. If you did not know how to manage the complicated issues smoothly which directly affect the well being of the common people of your country then you must stay out of government affairs. Let those who have set of skills, experience, practical, working knowledge of dealing with lotaas, keeping criminals of deep state at bay & have clear understanding of needs of common people of any country do the job. So ‘genius’ for a good purpose which benefits entire country’s population is not ‘evil’.

While PTI consists of more puppets that bowed down to wrong commands which in no way benefitted the common population because having no previous experience & being clueless, that’s what anyone does. Take commands/follow what you’re told. n-league did not consist of puppets. They were working very well when baseless scandals against them surfaced only to drown them & eventually the whole country. Sure COVID had a major role to shut down world economy which badly affected smaller countries the most but using COVID as a cover up for extreme mismanagement of PTI is a bad excuse. Does not mean n-league is free of lotaas but an experienced eye can spot them & deal as required. Sane, practical people living in Pakistan belonging to all classes took last 4 years as a ‘azaab’ of Allah. Running governments the way they should be does not require motivational quotes (many of which even oppose what Allah has told us in Quran) & stories. Imran Khan was looking for career change after retirement from cricket. He would’ve attained great heights as a motivational speaker. But entering politics was a very bad decision because his influence was misused to crush the most powerful & loyal political party of Pakistan that sincerely worked for people (again, not saying there weren’t any lotaas but were restricted whereas under PTI, they were given complete free hand). Hair shampoo put on ‘luxury’ goods category (a 600ml economy family pack of hair shampoo now costs PKR.1000 what used to cost PKR.350 four years ago). While PTI ministers failed to tell Pakistanis what ‘non-luxury’ product they themselves use to wash hair (detergent ? Dish washing soap ? Some herbs easily grown in grass ? What is it) ? 1 litre pack of cooking oil that costed PKR.100-120 now costs PKR.500. Forget taxes on use of smart phones & cars that look like cars but are just like rickshaws. These are just a few examples. A DAILY increase of 30-50 rupees on every single consumer edible or nonedible good was a norm during last 4 years. The robbers that were given free hand at sucking blood of veins of Pakistanis blamed all on increase of dollar rate which again was a dumb excuse. Like, what are the things that define good governance? If any political party is working on a global agenda of turning Pakistanis into financial slaves of the global world controlling mafia but so clueless to see what is going on right under their noses then that surely is NOT good governance.

I think more than half of Pakistan was praying for the removal of this wrath & although, I did not expect their prayers to be accepted this time, I am unexpectedly delighted that they are. 4 years is a long time. Pakistan would’ve been way ahead the way the previous government was working but the progress was put on a reverse mode in 2018. Now the concern is whether the new team will be able to reverse the damage caused in last 4 years by the inexperiened goons & potty mouthed haters. The only people ‘unhappy’ this day today are naive idealists (running governments is not equivalent of reading a novel or motivational documentry/auto-biography), fools & the greedy opportunists.

Today marks a new hope given SS’s previous performance as a CM in Punjab. Just hope, the wrath really is removed & everything falls correctly into the right place under his governance of the country.

Yea PTIans chanting against Bajwa and Army is the most ironic part.. How tables have turned!

Few years back it was PML(N) at the same place but PTI was blindly praising establishment. Now they realized the game after getting a kick in the butt by boots

Thank you.

In other words, you want me to change “evil” to the words like
 Wicked, two faced, Liars, deceptive, cunning people?

In Urdu: Shaatir, Makkar, Jhootay, Chaalak, Doghlay, Dhokay Baaz, Aasteen Ke Saanp, Ayaar?

This is what almost all and all political system in a lot of countries bring as I said earlier.

Nice and naive people many times get fooled by people who have above “great qualities” I mentioned.

This does not mean they should not be on high level of governance.

Agree. Incompetency of IK is well established. Many factors aside from that too. NS government still is responsible for a lot of financial mess which was carried on.

Yes. Agreed. Imran Khan focused on negative politics and kept talking about previous governments all the time and not moving forward yet taking many U turns is well established. Making big claims just like others, is his fault.

Sorry, that Will not happen.

Absolutely Not! :wink:

Shahbaaz Shareef will try to** clean wash** his and his family member’s issues as his priority. Already seeing the glimpse of that. But you can live in fool’s paradise. Your choice.

He is given Prime Minister position with a Laundry Machine. He will wash the dirty laundry of not only himself but of his family members and will be compelled to wash dirty laundry of other parties like** PPP and JUI** etc.

Hope he wears gloves when using large amount of detergent.:smiley:

You can choose whatever words but no people can stand with a government that is so utterly 'anti-human'. 'anti-common-Pakistani' government goons neither did anything to stop illegal, mad, induced inflation nor took any interest to investigate what/who was causing it & to stop it shows how much 'human-friendly' these 'zombies' are (I cannot look at anti-human' breed as humans but possessed zombies) - Khilaayi makhlooq - all those behind that artificial senseless inflation. If they're not cursed now, they will be cursed soon & will suffer worse for the oppression they're causing to common people of Pakistan.

I am glad you did not disagree with my post. Especially with the last paragraph. Thank you.

You talked about Inflation a couple of times.
Inflation does not go down with increasing minimum wage as Shahbaz Sharif announced just FYI. From day one he is causing Inflation in the country. No finance minister yet he announced it.:confused:

But, he is trying to put lollipop in people’s mouths. This lollipop will be very expensive for the people.

Please think before making comments and do educate yourself. :flowers:

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First official U-turn by the Shahbaz. After announcing 10% increase in salaries of the govt employees, he took back the decision once IMF found out.

Meanwhile, prices of sugar, oil and ghee increased first day of new govt. Petrol prices are proposed to be increased by Rs 29/liter.

Milk and honey has started flowing through our rivers and nullahs already :biggthumb:

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First official U-turn by the Shahbaz. After announcing 10% increase in salaries of the govt employees, he took back the decision once IMF found out.

Meanwhile, prices of sugar, oil and ghee increased first day of new govt. Petrol prices are proposed to be increased by Rs 29/liter.

Milk and honey has started flowing through our rivers and nullahs already :biggthumb:
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Rumor is that Shahbaz Sharif was going to pay the higher salaries out of his ‘limited’ savings. :stuck_out_tongue:

On a serious note, IK had domestic policy issues and more importantly the** international political issues**. It’s like he was attacked by a knife which had sharp edges on both sides.
He tried to take another U-turn from West to East. :wink:

Latter issues finally led to loss of his government.

Bottom line is that IK govt was getting extremely unpopular because of economic mismanagement and general incompetence. This unpopularity was rubbing off on the army and hurting their reputation. They decided to save their reputation and retreat from propping up IK's govt by withdrawing the pressures they had been putting on politicians and judges. IK's coalition partners and the lotas that were with IK due to army pressure and inducements, mindful of their own future electoral prospects, decided to leave him and he lost his majority.

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I asked you to be educated not to be emotional, and I answered you on one issue of financial matter. Namely the words used by you “inflation”.

I proved you earlier, that you had no idea whatsoever aboutit.

You should never have talked about inflation if you had no idea about it.

**There is nowhere I said I am educated and there is “nowhere I said I am not”. **

If I gave you that impression that I am educated by countering you above, then thank you for your acknowledgement and perception of me. Much appreciated.:slight_smile:

Now!!
Try not to twist the discussion between us by putting a long list of the questions you copied and posted.

ALL it means that you need me to answer **numerous irrelevant, silly, or made up questions **to tackle your lack of understanding.

If you please, always read my posts carefully. If not understood then read three times, or then ask me politely if still not understood.
I will be glad to rephrase myself or explain you with all my humbleness.

Please note: I do try to be complete in my thoughts as much as possible when I write my post and expect** “linear” discussion.**

One line discussion. No hanky panky
 or distracted or derailing tricks. :slight_smile:

No you have not left any impression on me to appear one bit 'educated'. I did not say that. Instead I said you're a typical PTI supporter who, on purpose, does not want to see the reality as it is in Pakistan for last 4 years. Robbers given free hand to plunder as they desire hiding behind few faces that keep entertaining people or tell them to keep sleeping (Ghabrana nahi). I said inflation because that's what has been going on in Pakistan since day-1 of Potty-govermment they call 'Naya Pakistan'. But in your mind, as an overseas Pakistani, playing with words, you can pretend to have perfect knowledge about the economy & deteriorating conditions to live in Pakistan. There are too many online foreign educated PhD economists (as per their own claims) supporting PTI policies online but they haven't got a clue about basics of economy. I take you as one of those.

Asad Umer was credible in the beginning & gave honest opinion about what needed to be done but was not only shut up by the greedy corrupt local mafia (that also works hand in hand with global anti-Pakistan criminal mafia) hiding behind PTI but was also dragged into scandals to throw him out completely. That's how they target every positive Pakistani that works to benefit the country.

I posted the questionnaire to let you know what actually went on under PTI that they were kicked out through 'no confidence'. Utter breach of confidence the sheep awaam put on them. That is very much inline with the topic being discussed here. It is you who has been derailing with hanky panky BS. If you're referring to my reference of possessed zombies, that's also a fact. What kind of breed would say the current conditions of the country are all 'normal' if not possessed zombies - khalaayi makhlooq? How is that derailing the topic?

It's clear you do not want to be shown the reality & do not want to come out of the illusion that was given to not just Pakistan but the whole world by misusing public influence of Imran Khan through thousands of video clips released on social media portraying him as the ultimate hero - saviour. It was all by careful design to misuse him in politics to fulfil certain agenda. It sure was a very sad moment when he decided to enter politics. He was productive & normal as a sportsman & philanthropist while out of politics. He was brainwashed & exploited to be used as a puppet, a pawn & was WASTED. A normal non-possessed, non-zombified brain can see that.

I wonder if this all started with “From Russia With Love”. The moment they were not on same page, he was kicked out. He was PM for more than 3 years, still could not figure it out that PM is under CAOS not other way around. Now what his ex minister says :slight_smile: Military, not Imran Khan, put forward 3 proposals to break political deadlock: Mazari


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Wayn wayn wayn. Sorry.

Both supporters and opponents of PTI are fooled by one or other party or parties. I am none of those. You are just one of those.

I am making comments as a third person observing very keenly the situation listening to both groups.

No sympathy for you or anyone. Both are wrong.

You continue to prove yourself as a retard. Sympathetic posts for someone who fooled the entire nation during election campaigns, gained their trust only to provide complete freedom to the hidden oppressors to oppress the people more than they have ever been oppressed since 1947. Haye haye, va-Vela, wayn wayn wayn, a long list of unjustified abusive words for the opposition & then say you support neither. I was briefly a supporter of 'the false' government because it did feel like PTIs would bring a revolution. What they actually brought I have already stated enough & anyone with a bit of research can find out more.

It's a fact I have never voted in my life. But it is also my habit to give credit where due. I do support saying no to unfair, unjustified US aggression as Pakistan has suffered alot taking that country as an ally. No country must have any influence over independent policy making of any other country. But that doesn't mean I must close eyes from how robbers hidden behind PTI sucked blood with not a single PTI questioning or even try to find out who they were as if strictly following instructions to pretend everything was normal.

At the same time, I have heard alot of praise for current PM SS from the common people from the time when he was CM Punjab. I didnt live in Pakistan at the time so didnt know why the common people praised him so much. But found out & saw soon after spending some time in Pakistan. Sharif brothers & team are not anti-human possessed zombies like PTIs. Quite the opposite. They worked for the needs of common people before & I do expect them to do the same this time so they have my prayers & good wishes. It's not hard to differentiate between human friendly & anti-human leaders for the most average IQ.

No sympathy for blinded fools.

Again I ask you to read what I wrote earlier.
I did not support IK. He did politics on negative rhetoric against others. Still doing the same. You are wasting your time.

In fact,** both IK and his so called united parties that are his opponents, are doing negative politics. **They are engaged in Mud slinging, verbal and physical abuses.,Personal attacks and Witch hunting.
No sincerity to the country and it’s problems.