What Jinnah said to USA

It is really interesting to note that Jinnah referred to the defense cooperation between US and the people/army of Pak during WW-I and WW-II (even when the Independence didn’t come until August 14, 1947).

And how he framed the future relationship between the two countries that revolves around the establishment of democracy and defense throughout the world (such as future wars).

Grand vision of Jinnah. Dare I say.

Because Pakistan was very poor and very weak in 1948.

Perhaps it was Jinnah’s grand vision that resulted in Pakistan,

otherwise we would all be the slaves of Mullahs who declared Jinnah kafir, and the same Mullahs who supported Hindu dominated Indian national Congress.

Wow!

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Reply to the speech made by the first Ambassador of the United States of America at the time of presenting
Credentials to the Quaid-i-Azam, on 26th February, 1948
Your Excellency,

It gives me great pleasure to welcome you in our midst as the first Ambassador of the United States of America. Though Pakistan is a new State, for well over a century now there have been many connections of trade and commerce between the people of Pakistan and the people of the United States. This relationship was strengthened and made more direct and intimate during two world wars and more particularly and more recently during the second world war when our two people stood shoulder to shoulder in defense of Democracy the historic fight for self-government by your people and its achievement by them, the consistent teaching and practice of democracy in your country had for generations acted as a beacon light and had in no small measure served to give inspiration to nations who like us were striving for independence and freedom from the shackles of foreign rule

I cordially share your pleasure at the evidence of friendship and sympathy shown by your country in opening diplomatic relations with Pakistan from the every first day of its establishment as a new State. I would like to add that this friendship has been diligently and consistently furthered by your very able and esteemed colleague Mr.Charles Lewis, the Charge-d’ Affairs who represented your country here pending Your Excellency’s arrival.

Pakistan was confronted with grave and dangerous issues and problems from its early days. Though as a new State we have to face a serious situation, we have no doubt in our own minds that by our united will and determination to live as a free and peace-loving people, we shall overcome them successfully.

I thank Your Excellency for your friendly assurances of sympathy in dealing with our many problems. I also deeply appreciate your confidence that our traditions and our past will help us to fulfill the hopes and ideals of our people. In return I can assure Your Excellency that after having emerged from an eclipse which lasted over a century and a half, the people of Pakistan desire nothing which is not their own, nothing more than the goodwill and friendship of all the free nations of the world. We in Pakistan are determined that having won our long-lost freedom we will work to the utmost limit of our capacity not only to build up a strong and happy State of our own but to contribute in the fullest possible measure to international peace and prosperity. I am glad to learn that Your Excellency and the great country and people you represent, will give your co-operation to us in order to advance our economic and cultural relations for the mutual benefit of both the countries. I am hopeful that good relations and friendship already existing between the peoples of America and Pakistan will be further strengthened and the bonds of friendship between our two countries will be more firmly riveted. Your Excellency, I assure you that my government and I will do all that lies in our power to give you every assistance in the fulfillment of what is our common desire and objective. I once more extend to Your Excellency a warm welcome to Pakistan as the first Ambassador of the United States of America.

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This is how some people read it:

Your Excellency,

.......Your country will bring peace to our nation using us against the commies and leaving the country infested with kalashnikovs, drugs, greedy generals and mullahs. An angel named Dick Cheney will then descend a few years later and will try cleanse us........

Now you are mocking Jinnah.

What a desperation! caused by sheer emotional outbursts.

Jinnah stood tall.

While you my friend is like many Arabs country people, who blame others instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

Shabash.

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^ I am mocking your interpretation.

Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be seen as an independent country and sovereign nation by USA in its dealings with us and not as a condom.

Very well said - They just know how to blame :) i wonder when they would gather enough courage to realize the reality.

Anyway, Excellent sharing. I would like to know the reference please.

Thank you.

The reference is at the bottom of the post. It is a hyperlink to government of Pakistan's website.

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burqaposhx, would you be kind enough to answer a few questions,

  1. Does my criticizing American role in current world-politics mean I support militancy?

  2. Does my criticizing past western policies mean I cannot at the same time criticize Pakistan's own follies?

  3. Does criticizing Dick Cheney (who a lot of Americans themselves believe to be evil) mean I admire Mullah Umar?

  4. Does criticizing post-cold war American role in our region mean I support Taliban?

  5. Ever heard of tunnel-vision?

For #1-4, you be the judge. As you have to live your life the way you want.

For #5, yes every extremist, and especially islamists suffer from it.

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^ I am asking your for your pearls of wisdom on #1-4. Please enlighten us.

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Wow burqa, you're really hell bent on democracy eh? You really believe democracy, whatever it is, really exists?

Why this personal gali galoch.

The thread is about a historic speech by our Qauid e Azam Jinnah sahib. Discuss the contents please!

Instead of launching personal attacks. Read bhai! Read the speech!

Thank you.

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burqa:

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And how he framed the future relationship between the two countries
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  • Quaid wanted friendship with America, just like other countries in the world. Nothing special.
  • What Quaid said was not a religious decree from Paris. Policies of countries change based on changing situations and environments.

Well that's true.

But we are simply discussing what he said in his speech.

I don't think you read the speech. Otherwise you won't be making this statement.

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Jinnah asked for friendship and co-operation with US. He didn’t want a dog-master or prostitute-customer relationship with US that we have had in the past few decades.

US official set private spy network: report - Yahoo! News

Not just friendship bhai!

Jinnah wanted MILITARY contracts and services. He has clearly referenced to Pak Fauj's contribution in WW-I, WW-II even though the two wars happened BEFORE 1947.

This was not a dog-pony show type cooperation, but a serious, very serious work.

FYI!

Not too long after this speech, Liaqat Ali Khan obliged USA with military bases in Pak.

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^ and USA obliged Pakistan by installing puppet governments run by empty headed generals here.

Jinnah was very pragmatic, wasn’t he? He realized that as a weak state, both economically and militarily, Pakistan needed to rely on a bigger power. To be sure this relationship cannot be based on complete parity-- it is almost naive to expect any such relationship to be-- but it does provide a much needed cushion in times of adversity. Also, it is well known that the enemy of one’s enemy is one’s friend. The more Pakistanis frustrate and alienate the US, the more Indians will court it–as they are already- and the US will inevitably move even closer towards it.

While Pakistanis are content apportioning blame on others even as their country teeters on the brink of economic and political disaster, their arch rival India is booming with billions in foreign investment and an economic growth that has defied the global recession and lifted millions out of poverty. Riding high on this unbridled economic boom, unsurprisingly Indian military is also getting even more stronger by the day. Just consider this:

India embraces Russia arms - Los Angeles Times

''India signed five deals Friday to purchase more than $7 billion in hardware and expertise from Russia, including an aircraft carrier, a fleet of MIG-29 fighters, defense and space technology and at least 12 civilian nuclear reactors.

…India’s air force is shopping for 126 fighter jets, valued at about $11 billion…"

Now against whom do you think these $20 billion dollar of paraphernalia is going to be used?

Pakistan’s military, despite the government propaganda inside Pakistan, has never been a match to India’s and the disparity between the two is only widening as is amply clear. Indian army is cognizant of this and it is no wonder we have heard statements of late from Indian generals that a conventional war is very much possible with Pakistan despite both being nuclear powers. Cordial relationship between Pakistan and the US is vital for several reasons, not least because Pakistan needs the United States to ward off any Indian aggression and enforce a “ceasefire” in case that happens.

It is also important to remember that the US was instrumental in averting another unwinnable war with India after the Mumbai fiasco and that since then it was also pivotal in nudging India to reluctantly agreeing to talks with Pakistan-- something the latter had made no secret of how much it coveted.

Yes, Pakistan can alienate the US but only at its own peril.

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USA has been a devil in disguise for Pakistan, and never a friend or an ally. I wish Jinnah knew USA in a better way.

This is a pathetic line directly imported from the pathetic Middle Eastern governments.

We had elected governments and we had military leaders. Now tell us who was the puppet?

Was Liaqat Ali khan a puppet? Or Zulfi Bhutto was puppet? or BB was puppet?

or from military leadership,

Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Mush etc. who was (were) the puppets?

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Pak Fauj in WW1 and 2? Since ****ing when? It was the British Army then dumbass.