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We have chest hair scholars here :/
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yes u can tell her if it looks bad. just be nice k?
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Or bi kaam haiN duniya mein behnooN k kaprey daiknay k Siwa
rahaTain or bii hain is tharkii pan ki Rahat Kay Siwa
( apologies to faiz sb )
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It depends on your school of religious jurisprudence but it is correct that girls can be in more liberal clothing in the privacy of their own homes. When there are only women in the home they can even show undergarments and when there are male mahrams in the home like father and brother they can show their arms up to shoulder, legs up to knees, chest as long as no cleavage is showing, and all of there back up to their waste. They can have jewelry and perfume on also. If they are alone with the husband they do not even have to have cloths on. The scholars say it is still better to dress modestly then not. This does not mean that they have to. They also agree that the closer the male mahram (father being the closest) the more liberal you can be. This exists because it can get very hot and there are a lot of places with no AC or coolers and also they are more comfortable. It is not fair for men to dress light and women to not be able to do so even in their own home. This is assuming you are not living with others like cousins who you can marry even if you do not think like that of them. If she is in the realm of your religious jurisprudence then I recommend that you go somewhere else or ignore her when she is working if it bothers you. I can understand a brother wanting his sister to dress a certain way but you should also be reasonable. It seems like both your mother and father did not have an issue with it.
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Still i am in the same situation. I get what you mean pashtunwarrior. But the real problem is she does not wear such clothes because it is hot or she wants to be comfortable working but she dresses that way on purpose. I know the religious limits but she is over that limit. And it is getting more worse now a days.
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Still i am in the same situation. I get what you mean pashtunwarrior. But the real problem is she does not wear such clothes because it is hot or she wants to be comfortable working but she dresses that way on purpose. I know the religious limits but she is over that limit. And it is getting more worse now a days.
How do you know she's doing it on purpose? Has she come up and told you "hey, I'm going to dress like this to make you uncomfortable"? have you talked to her? I have an older brother and he doesn't hesitate to tell me when my dupatta slips. Instead of complaining on here just go up and tell her, is that hard?
Also, she should be able to dress however she wants in her own home. But i don't think it'd be appropriate to wear completely transparent clothes, but what ever. If it bothers/distracts you that much and you can't possibly think of a way to tell her then just leave the room.
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Same used to happen to me, I moved upstairs avoiding my sister, the upper portion of house was deserted before, and now its my pied-à-terre. It has added benefits, I can listen to blasting music, play xbox all day, roam in my boxers, watch movies without having to worry about forwarding scenes and stuff. Its been a good ride :)
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I like how the vast majority of posters in this thread are now banned.
And this was still such a weird weird thread. Wth
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this is crazy .. she is your sister for christ sake, how does such thoughts even pop up? I am sure she might not be dressing modestly but if she was wearing very 'transparent' clothes, sure others in the family would have taken notice like your parents and elders and would have talked to her. Its all in your weirdo mind
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^Agree.. As if she’s really walking around in “transparent” clothes and the parents aren’t telling her to cover up 
Someone needs to get a grip..
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where are you based? if pakistan, then i see how the dupatta thing makes sense, if based in somewhere like UK/US/Canada/Aus etc then generally a duppate isnt worn by many outside of the house let alone inside.
Also, how transparent is it even? like you can see through it clearly or is it what is considered normal?
If your having difficulty telling her then just ask a sister, cousin or especially your mum to tell her.
its good you care for your sister but are you sure your not overthinking the whole situation or are your other family members views similar?
Also, inside the house she can wear as she pleases. (as long as mehrams). If she isnt wearing them type of clothes outside then i dont see the problem?
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Wow, I had forgotten about this thread. Opinions can change with time, but my stance on this remains the same.
I don't question the brother's intentions; I don't think we can so confidently assume that he's a pervert or sees his sister with a gandi nazar. I dress modestly at home and when outside, but I have a couple tops where the neckline was a problem and I'm sure the guppans here know what I mean....with some tops that require adjusting depending on your posture, etc. The same can happen with a kurta that has a deeper gala and needs adjusting. So once my dad had hinted to my mom that he doesn't like one of my shirts...especially when I go out. I totally understood what he meant and I knew what he was talking about as I found that top to be somewhat of a nuisance as well as it required adjusting often...though it was a pretty print. I didn't think my dad had "wrong" thoughts. As Sweetmoi had said earlier, being around a mehram doesn't mean one should be wholly careless with their clothes. Sure, you can relax in your own home...but relaxing can still be done decently.
Reminds me of how recently a woman told her mom to wear a bra under her shirt even if she goes out to get the mail. Now....the mom might choose not wear a bra in the comfort of her own home and on her own driveway which may be a short walk from her own mailbox....but her own daughter....who is the SAME gender as the mom....felt uncomfortable. The SAME gender. You'd think that the daughter shouldn't care since she's got the same body parts as her mom....and mind you this was a gori woman...and their culture is less conservative than ours. So if a person of the SAME gender can feel uneasy about your dressing.....given they've got the same parts as you....why is it so hard to understand that a family member of the opposite gender (brother or father) can feel uneasy as well?
The sister may not be aware of how transparent her kurta gets when she's sweaty from doing chores...and perhaps it really is pretty visible. We haven't witnessed it, so we wouldn't know exactly. But sometimes we may get an unexpected guest....and it does become inappropriate to be in revealing clothing...even if it's not done deliberately. It can be a hindrance for namaz as well.
So those who are questioning the "cleanliness" of the OP's mind......I say that it would be a fair argument to say that the "pristine-ity" of our own "soch" or mentality should be questioned if we are quick to assume or insinuate that the brother has a gandi nazar about his sister or is being tempted by her. And if we're going to hasty in assuming that the brother is a pervert in the making.........then why stop there folks? Why don't we assume that the sister was dressing like on purpose in order to "seduce" her brother? Let's question (in a negative way) the sister's intention too.
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i think the guy has genuine concern of discomfort around his sister. and as a nice caring brother, he doesn’t want to embarrass his elder sister by telling her directly. C'mon guys..dont doubt his intentions or thoughts.
Sibling should be able to comfortably sit around each other. I would mind if my brother sits in his boxer around me and he would mind if I walk around in his presence in see through clothes or pj shorts.
it believe it is silly to suggest for the brother to leave the room and ultimately stop the beautiful sibling interaction just because he cant ask the sister to dress a tad more covered (depending on the body type) as she is at home and she dress however she wants.
Op..please have a word with your mum or other sister/female cousin so they can subtly give her the message without embarrassing her or yourself.
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I don't think he's being a perv, but seriously, a woman should be able to relax in her own damn home, esp when it's boiling hot outside. We dress modestly when we leave the house, why should we have to do the same at home where one is meant to relax and be comfortable?
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It could be scorching outside, but homes have some cooling system...AC, fan? Even in Pakistan where there's loadshedding, the women there can manage to relax without making others uncomfortable and in turn themselves uneasy as well. Why not? We tend to speak modestly/decently in the workplace and while the home generally has a more lax environment, it doesn't mean that decency in speech should totally ignored when it comes to family just because they're your family and anything goes. While speaking to your family, you do consider their feelings and make the effort to word things in a way that would be make life easier not only for you but others as well. Basically you look after yourself and have consideration for others. So, why can this awareness/effort not be applied to dressing?
Op said the clothes are too transparent. If your kurta is a light color.....and is very fitted....and you're sweating to where it's clinging to you...and maybe you're wearing the kind of bra that's not full coverage....i could see how that would even make another female a bit uneasy. Who knows how revealing the sister's clothes are.
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ok, i will try to reply to everyone here. I dont understand why people are too quick to judge here and think that the me (the brother) must have a gandi nazar and overseeing the acts of sister. Any way i will explain it bit further.
About moving around in transparent clothes and parents dont see it is becuase she puts a dupatta on infront of them. But whenever she is infront of me, like in my room or working infront of me or for whatever reason infront of me, she removes the dupatta.
And for confronting her about it, poeple should read my previous posts. I have already tried that.
I know she should wear what is comfortable. But i am asking all the females here. Do you wear clothes that are transparent enough that they reveal the inner garments completely? I dont want to be too open but i will have to to explain it. Its not just the outline of the innerwear but i can see everything even the shalwar is too thin. So talking about being comfortable do you females here ever wear that type of clothes infront of brother, i guess not!.
I leave the room, i try to avoid her as much i can but she finds a reason to come infront of me every now and then.