This is just ridiculous. Whether you are an Indian or a Pakistani supporter, when you have the crowd such as in the last ODI between Ind vs. Pak, half of the interest dies at that time. I don’t know whether Pakistani crowd acted the way the Indian crowd did (when India visited Pak in 2004 - someone can help me with that I am sure), but even if they did, it is demeaning to the entire country, and to the rest of the world who watches cricket for fun and enjoyment, and actions such as this set you back when you literally have to change the channel.
In regards to the above, what do you think of the usual Indian crowds (or Pakistani crowds for that matter) in general? I am sure we can all account for more than one ocassion where such type of action happened. Can this ever be stopped? Why can’t people just enjoy the God damn game, and not humiliate themselves in front of the Presidents and Prime Ministers? This just makes me angry. Total BS!
there is nothing wrong with them. We just have different expectation since our crowd dropped their trousers, greased their bung hole, and took a big indian one up their you know what while screaming "hindu paki bhai bhai."
I didn’t specifically meant as there “is” soemthing wrong with them, it was just a matter of context. What I was trying to point out was why people can’t just enjoy the game, for whatever length it goes, regardless of the result, and be happy with it, for once? Different expectations doesn’t matter. Frankly speaking, almost every pakistani will wish their team to win against the arch-rivals, and the opposite goes true as well, so expectations don’t play a role here.We all have the same type of expectations, whether it is the Indians, SA’s, or the Aussies, we will want our country team to win. It’s a matter of conducting and maintaining a “professional” behavior, and stick to it.
^ Actually, I am glad our crowds did that. Atleast this way, we embarrassed the Indians since their crowds were hardly able to reciprocate. In fact, quite the contrary. The Indian crowds have onlu disgraced their nation in front of the whole world.
I am not following too much on the cricket these days, but last time I clearly remember, it was '99 WC. They burned the stadium seats, and put it on fire.
Why don't you do this: next time when India visits Pakistan, go to the stadium and cheer your lungs out for every single freakin' move the Indians make. This is what our idiotic fans did and robbed the team of any home advantage whatsoever. The pressure infront of a foreign crowd plays a big role in how players perform, but no, the Pakistanis had to jeet the dils of Sehwag and Co. The Pakistani crowd is full of such idiots who don't even realize the importance of test cricket and turn up in one day matches all dressed up and made up like it was some sort of Shadi ki ceremony. Idiots. Hopefully the shmucks learnt something from how the Indian crowds behaved.
I feel your post made a blatant stab at the pakistani crowds. That is fine, I guess, as my original post did the same (on lesser scale, I think). However, both the country’s crowd are pretty much the same. And I am not sure what you mean by the comment of “The shmucks learnt something from how the Indian crowds behaved.” Learnt something, do you mean in a good way, or a bad way?
*The Indian crowds behaved like any sporting nation in the world would. I admit that throwing bottles was wrong, but complete silence when Pakistani players hit boundaries is what I call “home advantage” to the Indians. There is nothing wrong with that. Our crowds are so stupid that you heard louder cheers for Balaji hitting fours than Sami taking a wicket. Our crowds are too stupid to understand Test cricket in particular and cricket in general. *
Sorry guys but good players do not need home advantages to perform. Do not try to blame Pakistan’s 2004 defeat at home on the crowd’s reaction. The Pakistani crowd set an example of unparalled hospitality. Journalists wrote many a pages about it and the whole world read and praised the people of Pakistan (except maybe by you, Game and Atlanta).
The behaviour of the Indian public on the other hand was frowned upon by most of the civilized world (again, except maybe by you, Game and Atlanta). Indian journalists themselves were the first to point out the unsporting behaviour of the Indian crowds. The stone flinging at buses, the clay pots and water bottles in the ground et al. And by the way if you havent noticed yet Indians lost despite the home crowd advantage. And Pakistanis won despite a non appreciative crowd.
Once again my point is those who think the Pakistani crowd should have booed the Indian team and not appreciated their fours and sixes then there really was no point to having a friendship series. We’re much better off playing at neutral venues.
It was the 96 WC dhobi_bhai. The sore losing Indian crowd set the stadium seats on fire and threw non stop missiles (water bottles) on the ground when the Indian team was losing at the hands of Sri Lanka in the semi final. Eventually the match was called off and Sri Lanka were given victory. I still remember Vinod Kambli walking back to the pavillion, escorted by some commandos of some sort, with big fat tears in his eyes. He did not get a chance to save his country from defeat because of the ‘sporting Indian crowd’ that our friends Atlanta and The_Game so dearly love.
you think a single non-desi in the world watched more than 30 seconds of any India-Pakistan match? lol
but seriously, in any other country/any other sport, NOBODY defines a “good crowd” as one that fills stadiums during the biggest rivalries to 50%, remains calm and quiet, and cheers the opposing team. that is defined as a useless crowd. the only reason why this issue has come up is because of political hostilities, otherwise it would be a no brainer. in other sports, instructions to boo are flashed on big screens and fans are encouraged to make their boos as loud as possible…in south asia, a boo will make headlines in the next day’s papers as a huge controversy. this has nothing to do with hospitality… pakistani cricketers were mobbed by fans everywhere they went in India and walked around on a red carpet. there is no need for butt-licking within the confines of a stadium…this defeats the purpose of a home advantage.
and to whoever said that home advantages are irrelevant…that is ridiculous. nobody said it will guarantee a victory, but there is no denying the importance of playing with a home advantage. home records for virtually any team in any sport will corroborate this.
^^ koowain kay maindak! Cricket is a game of 2 Billion ppl in the world. Cricket news, incidents and scandles fly across the globe in seconds and in every cricket playing country the sports sections of the dailys and magz are full of them. And believe me, fans do like to be up to date of happenings in cricket world, regarldess of boundries and colors. You can see that not just on this forum, but dozens of forums on Internet, be it Aussie or Bangla, the news spreads in seconds.
You are absolutely right cHEeGUm. The team itself doesn’t need to be dependant on the crowd in order to gain the “extra” mile on the field, or on the batting, so to speak. I guess some people just don’t realize the importance and the enjoyment of friendly series such as this, and take it very seriously upon themselves, enough to headline on next morning’s paper.
As I mentioned, I don’t know what the reaction of the Pakistani crowd was when India toured in '04, so perhaps you or someone else can enlighten me as to how they reacted to a loss.
Right on, it was '96. Thanks for correction, and great post.
Agreed with you in a sense where you mention that outside of cricket stadiums, the opposing team members’ are filled with lines and lines of autographs and pictures. That is certainly true, to an extent. Also the fact that booing the same individual when he hits a four or a six defeats the purpose of having these so-called “friendly” series (even if it doesn’t get mention on the news, or paper).
*Cheegum bhai, I didn't say that throwing bottles and setting the stadium on fire is the right thing to do. I'm merely stating that we went way too overboard in bending over backwards for our mehmaans. Imagine you bowled for the Pakistani team and you were running in, all fired up. You bowl and you beat Sehwag. Loud cheer. You are happy and you go back and bowl again and he cracks you for a six. Earth shattering cheer that would kill your ears. How would you feel if that happens in your own freakin' country? I'm not telling the Pakistani idiotic fans to boo the Indian cricketers when they come, but for God's sake, be reasonable and remember which one is the home country and which one is the mehmaan team. *
what excuse? i was informing Skhan that no non-desi in the whole world is going to watch a bunch of brownies play cricket for 8 hours except other desis…probably not even the highlights.
btw, i must inform you that i’m not a fob and i have a very different perception of what comprises a good crowd. the only thing i condemn is any throwing of objects onto the field. i don’t see any connection between hospitality and fan response…hospitality should not affect the competitiveness of a sports rivalry, it should (and did) remain active outside of the stadium only. since pakistanis were welcomed and embraced all over India, there is no need for an excuse…there’s nothing that needs to be excused apart from the 3-odd objects thrown during the 2 month tour.
^ nikhil .. there were 'non-desis' in the very crowd .. what are you talking about?
And you are clearly covering up for your crowd's behavior just like commentrators and co did. There were not just '3-odd objects', the ground's face was different for a good half an hour. They didn't do any good to the morale of their players either .. in my book india did not lose at that moment .. and with some moral support they could have shown some heroics and win the match for their country or just even could fight it till the end. But no, if home crowd starts acting like losers, what really they had to fight for.
