Karachi, the financial hub of Karachi is under a severe grip of violent target killings. It seems there are several gangs killing each other with a lot of innocent citizens losing their lives as collateral damage in these gang wars. Babur Ghauri last night directly accused PPP backed Lyari Rehaman Dakeet gang for killing 12 people in Sher Shah shoot out yesterday. Similarly ANP and PPP accuse MQM for killing their political workers in several target killings. What is the solution to this problem in Karachi.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
A) Should we give the control of the city to army?
B) Should PPP provincial government be given a free hand to control Karachi situation, Gen Baber style?
C) Should MQM being the major stake holder in karachi be in control of law enforcement, Gen Musharraf style?
D) Should be give a chance to all the political stake holders to sit together and jointly sort out the solution to the problem?
I have purposely not started a poll on this topic. Firstly we want your selected option to be known to everyone, and secondly forum should know why you support your selected option. We need a positive discussion in the forum without getting in to accusations and counter accusations.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
A) Should we give the control of the city to army?
B) Should PPP provincial government be given a free hand to control Karachi situation, Gen Baber style?
C) Should MQM being the major stake holder in karachi be in control of law enforcement, Gen Musharraf style?
D) Should be give a chance to all the political stake holders to sit together and jointly sort out the solution to the problem?
I have purposely not started a poll on this topic. Firstly we want your selected option to be known to everyone, and secondly forum should know why you support your selected option. We need a positive discussion in the forum without getting in to accusations and counter accusations.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
Lets be honest here instead of trying to be politically correct.
When we talk about problems in FATA there are many side issues that need to be addressed, like changes in tribal laws, empowering the locals, provide better educational facilities etc etc but the main thing required is to dismantle Taliban.
Similarly in Karachi MQM needs to be disarmed and its sector incharges rounded up.
Otherwise you will keep seeing this bloodshed.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
Lets be honest here instead of trying to be politically correct.
When we talk about problems in FATA there are many side issues that need to be addressed, like changes in tribal laws, empowering the locals, provide better educational facilities etc etc but the main thing required is to dismantle Taliban.
Similarly in Karachi MQM needs to be disarmed and its sector incharges rounded up.
Otherwise you will keep seeing this bloodshed.
This will result in more bloodshed , it was tried once by Nawaz Shareef and his cronies , Some guy name Baber something from army tried to have a cleanup operation. Let them fight each other , they will either die off fighting with each other or will get tired of fighting and die.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
If we try Babar-style operation again then we will see the same results again, leadership will run away while little workers will get killed extra judicially while rest of Karachi will get humiliated which only fuel anti-establishment/govt sentiments. If last time Naseerullah Babar faked the story of Jinnahpur then this time it will get more popularity among the people.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
This will result in more bloodshed , it was tried once by Nawaz Shareef and his cronies , Some guy name Baber something from army tried to have a cleanup operation. Let them fight each other , they will either die off fighting with each other or will get tired of fighting and die.
General Babur worked under Benazir Bhutto, not Nawaz Sharif. I think you're mixing the Army operations against the MQM because of the torture of Major Kaleem. Also, Babur's efforts did bear fruit, even independent analysts say that it broke the MQM's break or they would have been a lot stronger from a militant perceptive.
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Operations never solve the problem if they are targeted to one party. Previous 2 operations in Karachi failed because they were targeted specifically to MQM. No one but MQM workers murdered extra judicially. That was nothing but more fuel for MQM to go on with their business. While MQM guys were shot killed on street, other terrorist like Haqaqi and PPI were encouraged in fact given security protocol to go in areas and take over the unit offices.
Does PPP govt have balls to go after PPP's Ghunday in Liyari, ANP's Ghunday in Orangi AND PPI ghunday in addition to MQM Ghundays? Till that happens, operation is not a solution to Karachi problem.
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Firstly, the operation headed by the military was to disarm and root out militants in the city. Since they all belong to MQM, you can call it an operation against the MQM.
Secondly, are you forgetting what Altaf Hussain did when in 1990 a newsline editor published a story about MQM's alleged use of torture on dissident members? Are you forgetting how he publically issued a death threat against him? Remember how Zafar Abbas the journalist was beaten up, and how the Dawn offices were ransacked for exposing those torture cells belonging to the MQM.
The US State Department, Amnesty International accused MQM of torture killigns and other abuses. Name anyone one of those fictional parties that they named apart from MQM... Now dont act masoom and say the Americans were against the MQM too that why they spared everyone else.
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Yeah. it was against the militants with Haqaqi Terrorist coming back to area sitting on Military jeeps and tanks. What credibility :k: Keep living in self illusion
Just fyi, Aafaq Ahmed (Haqiqi’s leader) was the first in-charge of MQM’s torture wing.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
1.Did any one thought abt y and how MQM came into being.
2. Y many educated ppl of karachi support MQM even after knowing the wrong doings of MQM.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
How to stop it....well change starts at the top...All parties that sponsor militancy and take law into their own hands need to be banned from Karachi...
which will never happen...
If it ever does, thinking UTOPIA can exist in Karachi, then the people will elect people who are independants or from New community organized groups and things will REALLY change....
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I would say let the evil consume evil while police protect the innocents...
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^even then the upper level of the security establishment are afraid to loose their status, benefits, and what not-so its a very difficult situation. If they un-align themselves from the political parties and work as an organization to carry out its duties may some change may come.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
1.Did any one thought abt y and how MQM came into being. 2. Y many educated ppl of karachi support MQM even after knowing the wrong doings of MQM.
If you don't know the history of how Zia created the MQM,you have a lot to learn.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
Round up MQM's upper cadre, extradite Altaf and his mureeds from London as well as the hit squads from South Africa, prosecute them on the charges which were dismissed through NRO...convict them all and hang them as the only appropriate applicable punishment since they are all murderers and killers...
Dismantle the criminal enterprise of MQM and it's network of sector incharge down to the mukhbir in each gullee...
When you can't even give fitra and quarbani ki khaal without MQM's permission...something has to be done and quick...
And people have the audacity to think MQM is not the worst thing afflicting Pakistan for the last 20 years...TTP are a bunch of monks in comparison to the terrorists of MQM...
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Previous operation were not successful because they were not completed. We have done operations in FATA but militancy still exists, doesnt mean operations should not be done, just shows once started it should be continued till desired results are achieved.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
its not possible till all Big Parties like PPP/PMLN/ANP/ Jehadis backed JI/PTI and not for least MQM disarmed and house to house search needed and it could not be happened till army Estalishment quit to use Karaachi card for any of their benefits, their is a shadow of all type of EVILS on karachi, not a demon only
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
Initiate action by cleansing of karachi from terrorists. First and foremost step is that Kyani should take active part in to this. Bring Naseerulah Babar back in action. Search every house in Karachi for illegal arms by curfewing first areas of trouble. Start with 90 and surrounding areas and move diagnally to all over Karachi. That is the only solution, there is no other way.
Re: What is the solution of Karachi violence
its not possible till all Big Parties like PPP/PMLN/ANP/ Jehadis backed JI/PTI and not for least MQM disarmed and house to house search needed and it could not be happened till army Estalishment quit to use Karaachi card for any of their benefits, their is a shadow of all type of EVILS on karachi, not a demon only
Thats more like Haider Abbas Rizvi talking than a solution. PTI, PML-N have no stake in karachi. And blaming violence on army is a poor effort at disinformation.