Please don’t take it as a criticism, it is just a question after observing few threads. Where should the line be drawn ? I mean some recent topics have such indirect questions that their answers would reveal too much about a person’s private life and personal details that shouldn’t be shared in public, even if they are giving a ‘general’ reply. There are many children on this forum with curious minds. At times people reply by playing with words in such a way that even if you want to keep your mind clean, devil might create curiosity about what a particular ‘slang’ means. That might force some people to search for the ‘meaning’ of the slang that has been used. We sure don’t want our children and siblings (in Islam) to research over those perspectives. I know mods and Admins can’t control this because we never know what were the intentions behind a reply, but we all know that Allah (swt) is watching us and knows exactly (even more than us) every bit of ‘what’ was there in the core of our heart. Even a microscopic dirty intention would lead to embarrassment in front of Allah (swt) on the day of our face to face encounter with THE ALMIGHTY.
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If children are on line on a web forum without parent supervision or netnanny, then the problem lies with the Parents and not life1.
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There are many children on this forum with curious minds.
Now what are children doing on this forum in the first place? Their parents should be supervising them. And then you also have to define children. Because "children" of let's say, 14 years of age, tend to be familiar with dirty language and the birds and the bees. Now, I'm not saying that indecency should be promoted on this website, but "kids" will pick up things from a variety of sources such as movies, books, their peers, other websites, etc. And as much as parents want to protect them, it's impossible to shield them from everything and too much over protection is not a good thing either. One HAS to know about the ills of society so that they can be better able to differentiate between right and wrong. You can't teach what is good and right without learning about is wrong or haram. It's this awareness and free will that make up the "test" which is life. And while we are held accountable for things we say or suggest on this forum and otherwise, parents too are held accountable for how they supervise their children. Not all the blame can be placed on a website.
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'Life1' is not the only forum on the interwebs. And you assume only Muslims frequent the GS forums so the whole religious aspect gets kinda diluted. I don't know... This is supposed to be an unrestricted forum where anyone from any faith can come together to discuss their issues/whatever. The only restrictions I believe suitable would be the usual forum rules like no insults/personal attacks/obscenity for the sake of obscenity. I'm just sayin' is all...
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If those kids know how to search things on the net , then they do not need any cue from a GS discussion.
All those cues are all around us these days. Type any innocent looking word in google with safe search off and you will regret you did. ( don't try that if you are a real pious person and do not want me to be responsible in front of Allah(SWT) for telling you that trick.) :D
Every few days I get a call from some member of the community telling me they have some problem in their computer and need my help with stopping those dirty pictures from popping up. I smile inside because I know that someone from the family has been venturing into forbidden territory. They curse the people who made their computer do that but inside I know that it is their own or any other member of the family's fault.
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http://cuadie.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/think_of_the_children.jpg
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Quite logical points. Thanks for sharing. Lets say, even if we remove the children factor, there are certain limits of a discussion to keep it within decency. Just because there are many sources that influence unnatural (religiously) thinking, doesn't justify our unintentional promotion of the 'concepts' which we can't comfortably even think of on our on, at least after our first exposure to it. Overcoming a spiritual guilt by getting used to an initially disturbing dirt, is one's own choice. Something I myself should feel ashamed of thinking after realizing that Allah knows exactly what I am thinking of and how shameful it is to not reject such thoughts from my mind even though I know Allah is reading every bit of the direction I am giving to an indecent thought (religiously). I know I haven't been able to clearly convey in the first post what I intended to say (could possibly be because of my lack of English vocabulary). Let me put it in words what one of my friend used to say about our desi culture:
We desi people would boldly criticize all the newly developed dirty concepts that western culture openly keep on inculcating in innocent minds, from time to time, but through playing of words we would touch to the very depth all those 'concepts' which we usually say Tauba tauba if mentioned/shown directly to us in front of our family.
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RAW, I totally understand where you are coming from and the need to at times self-censor what we write and share online with others.
Unfortunately, there is no universal standard of morality. If I impose my view of what is appropriate on others, they will come back and challenge me on other aspects of my life and they say, what right do you have to question what I say/write? It's the whole: Judge not, lest ye be judged principle.
Does that mean we abdicate our responsibility entirely? No, because we do have a moral duty to one another. But, engaging in our moral duty is a slippery slope - where does it begin and where does it end?
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Quite logical points. Thanks for sharing. Lets say, even if we remove the children factor, there are certain limits of a discussion to keep it within decency. Just because there are many sources that influence unnatural (religiously) thinking, doesn't justify our unintentional promotion of the 'concepts' which we can't comfortably even think of on our on, at least after our first exposure to it. Overcoming a spiritual guilt by getting used to an initially disturbing dirt, is one's own choice. Something I myself should feel ashamed of thinking after realizing that Allah knows exactly what I am thinking of and how shameful it is to not reject such thoughts from my mind even though I know Allah is reading every bit of the direction I am giving to an indecent thought (religiously). I know I haven't been able to clearly convey in the first post what I intended to say (could possibly be because of my lack of English vocabulary). Let me put it in words what one of my friend used to say about our desi culture:
We desi people would boldly criticize all the newly developed dirty concepts that western culture openly keep on inculcating in innocent minds, from time to time, but through playing of words we would touch to the very depth all those 'concepts' which we usually say Tauba tauba if mentioned/shown directly to us in front of our family.
Isn't there something in Islam which says that we are not held responsible for our thoughts because we have no control over them?
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^ Its like the flow of traffic. There are good and bad cars that come across us from time to time. We are not responsible for the dirty cars that comes across us, but to keep staring at one and keep developing the dirty 'thought' is within our control.
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Sharm went looking for hayaa and hayaa is looking for bhegerati. So basically both are lost. So sad :(
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Khumar… 
RAW no one is gonna listen to you really 
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But you see, most of us here belong to one religion or the other, and we all know we can look up to our role model who has defined every bit of do's *and *don't's in our life. It should neither be about "your views" & "My views" nor should it be about "How much you practice" & "How much I practice". It is only about what is declared right and what is declared wrong by our religion/role model/Lord. It really becomes that simple once we follow the morality standard which our respective Ideal has set for us. Which in fact is a universal standard for morality.
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lower your gaze people, lower your gaze... astaghfirullah! lol
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For ****'s sake RAW. Save your righteousness for the R&S forums. You are really annoying.
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GS is nothing, and I mean absolutely NOTHING when it comes to filth and garbage and just all around depravity. Yeah there's a few off color jokes here and there BUT it's still a pretty decent website, thanks to the heavy moderation and quality of members here.
Don't like it then don't read it, because there are far worse forums out there, or just go into any news story and read hte comments..ull know what i mean.
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Where should the line be drawn ?
The question should be CAN a line even be drawn? I don't think so. Cuz people will differ as to where that line should be. One person's "haaw haai" could be a "no-big-deal/harmless banter" to another person. And how should the administration monitor that? That, too, would be difficult to do. Conversation is complex, it can't be in the same mode all the time. Even a simple word uttered or posted with no wrong intentions whatsoever might conjure up less than kosher images in someone else's mind. You can't control that. A conversation that is always prim and proper and serious and connects to religion, is going to get old eventually. There usually is some lighthearted banter, some joking, etc. There has to be a balance between deen and duniya and our religion makes this point as well. It seems as though the Life forum of late has been inundated by religious threads with a sort of "reprimanding" undertone to them...and by the same posters. Perhaps they feel that the contributors in the Life forum are like blasphemous or something. :p
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there are far worse forums out there, or just go into any news story and read hte comments..ull know what i mean.
AGREE, I've seen several of them that are worse, some of them were Pakistani forums. This is a pretty decent and comprehensive forum compared to some of the others out there.
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Please don't take it as a criticism, it is just a question after observing few threads. Where should the line be drawn ? I mean some recent topics have such indirect questions that their answers would reveal too much about a person's private life and personal details that shouldn't be shared in public, even if they are giving a 'general' reply. There are many children on this forum with curious minds. At times people reply by playing with words in such a way that even if you want to keep your mind clean, devil might create curiosity about what a particular 'slang' means. That might force some people to search for the 'meaning' of the slang that has been used. We sure don't want our children and siblings (in Islam) to research over those perspectives. I know mods and Admins can't control this because we never know what were the intentions behind a reply, but we all know that Allah (swt) is watching us and knows exactly (even more than us) every bit of 'what' was there in the core of our heart. Even a microscopic dirty intention would lead to embarrassment in front of Allah (swt) on the day of our face to face encounter with THE ALMIGHTY.
raw dude,
I think most of us won't use the language, we use here, in real world.
I don't think I can say things in person in presence of a female, what I say here.
So its an online thingie.
dude, I think islam suffer greatly from arab story telling tradition. There were some exotic intention to begin with thats why we came into this world.
Take it easy dude, I think thinking about second wife is pretty exotic thing, unless first one is broken.
Dude, ppl who passed islam to us were pretty exotic them selves. Multiple wives.
so chill....
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GS is nothing, and I mean absolutely NOTHING when it comes to filth and garbage and just all around depravity. Yeah there's a few off color jokes here and there BUT it's still a pretty decent website, thanks to the heavy moderation and quality of members here.
Don't like it then don't read it, because there are far worse forums out there, or just go into any news story and read hte comments..ull know what i mean.
you're right, I mean can't even say **** here without getting censored (I mean the bad word for potty).