I was wondering what the Islamic rules are governing sneezing, burping or make any kind of odd noises during prayers.
Since all aspects of life are covered in Koran, is there something about the peoper behaviour during prayers?
Any punishment for improper behaviour?
For the record, let me clarify Hinduism’s position on sneezing. Sneezing is regarded as bad luck. During prayers, if you start sneezing, you get out of the temple!!
Man oh man, you got a heck of a religion here. I started this thread out of curiosity and here is what I found.
Sneezing is OK in Islam but Yawning is not!!
Before all the Mullahs and Jihadis descend upon me, let me say I am quioting Hadith #161, authenticated by one Al-Bukhari, apparently a big time scholar!!
It is reported that the Phrophet (saws) said: “Allah likes sneezing, and he hates yawning. So if one of you sneezes, and praises Allah, then it is duty upon anyone that hears him to say (Shaikh Albani said in his footnotes to Saheeh Al-Kalim At-Tayyib that is evidence that any one that hears the sneezing persom say “Al-hamdu lil-lah” must reply. The belief that if one person says it the rest do not have to is a misconception) Yarhamuka 'allahu: Which means May Allah have mercy on you. As for Yawning, it is of the shaytan, so if one of you is going to yawn, let him hold it back as much as possible, because if one of you yawns, shaytans laughs at him”.<< http://www.pressroom.com/~islam/
I invite all Guppies to respond before the mods close this thread as I am sure they will.
For the record, I am an infidel Hindu who thinks sneezing is bad for Humans and good for Pharmaseutical companies!!
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Since all aspects of life are covered in Koran, is there something about the peoper behaviour during prayers?
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All aspects of life are NOT covered in the Qur'an. It's a Book that outlines a code of life, without indulging in the frivolous.
Contrary to your understanding, it wouldn't tell you how to make Pizza or launder your clothes nor does it govern your posture while relieving yourself of your bodily waste etc.
Sneezing and yawning are bodily functions.
Sneezing is the body's way of eliminating irritants or a foreign object from the nasal passages. A sneeze is usually set off by an irritated nose or a tickling sensation deep in the nasal passages that is relieved by an explosive involuntary expulsion of air.
Yawning is a reflex behavior that can be only partially controlled by our own volition. Most vertebrate animals exhibit yawning. Yawning is a type of social behavior that is largely involuntary and controlled by the brain.
There is nothing 'Islamic' about sneezing or yawning or not. Superstitious religions may consider natural bodily functions bad or good. Islam doesn't.
and you already know how much stock I put in what Mr. Bukahri and co. have to say.
You know, having seen you post and dig up every petty topic that you can think of, I wonder if the so-called orders from Islam "to kill all infidels" is such a bad thing after all.
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Originally posted by Andhra:
**So Pakabroad, your position is that you reject what Al-Bukhari has to say here.
Infact you reject Hadith #161. Right?
Also your position is that Koran doesn't concern itself with the relative merits of Yawning and Sneezing before God? Is It?
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Yes. The statement narrated by Bukhari is outrightly against Islamic beliefs of all things being from Allah and Satan having no power over our bodies.
and Yes, the Qur'an doesn't talk about the merits or demerits of bodily functions such as Sneezing and Yawning.
You know, having seen you post and dig up every petty topic that you can think of, I wonder if the so-called orders from Islam “to kill all infidels” is such a bad thing after all.
What do you think, Andhra?<<
Yes. The statement narrated by Bukhari is outrightly against Islamic beliefs of all things being from Allah and Satan having no power over our bodies.
and Yes, the Qur'an doesn't talk about the merits or demerits of bodily functions such as Sneezing and Yawning.<<
So Pakabroad, is your rejection limited to one Hadith or all of them?
If you reject Hadith, I think you should let Sunnis here start posting defending that Hadith before you contribute again.
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So Pakabroad, is your rejection limited to one Hadith or all of them?
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anything that's contrary to the Message in the Qur'an.
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If you reject Hadith, I think you should let Sunnis here start posting defending that Hadith before you contribute again.
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they are welcome.. that's not the only hadith they'd have to defend.. there are hundreds of loony ones out there which people like you can capitalize on.
anything that’s contrary to the Message in the Qur’an.<<
Since your position is that Hadiths are either against the ‘Message’ you are speaking about it or are irrelevant, can you open a separate thread on that?
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Originally posted by Andhra: Man oh man, you got a heck of a religion here. I started this thread out of curiosity and here is what I found.
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No disputing with what you have quoted. But it is it is the interpretation that will be your doing. Islam ahs no superstitions. Hinduism is full of them. When sneezing, a person takes out unwanted "irritants or a foreign objects" as PakistaniAbroad has written. The suggestion from Sunnah is to praise Allah for relieving the person of the irritant or foreign object. Yawning is disliked as it is something that can be avoided publicly. It has no physical attributes, except a person's indicating that he/she is tired or bored.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
Remember all the explanation given by you is YOURS.
We are talking about the Hadith however. The Hadith itself doesn’t say anything about sneezing and foregin objects.
It says Allah like sneezing.
Well?
In Islam there are codes of behavior, then recommendations of behavior & then some little things which are narrated as the traditions of the pious ones. Other than the codes, nothing is considered mandatory.
From codes it meant things like not to tell a lie, don't hurt someone with tongue or hand, saying prayers regularly etc.
From my understanding, people have narrated how the Holy prophet behaved in certain circumstances. Which sometimes have varied from instance to instance. The hadiths you quoted is an example of such a situation. I am sure if you search a little more or ask someone who has read the 'traditions' more, you will find a lot more ahadiths on sneezing. This is not to say that the conduct ascribed in them are mandatory for every Muslim.
I usually (whenever I remember) say Alhamdullah when I sneeze.
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For the record, let me clarify Hinduism's position on sneezing. Sneezing is regarded as bad luck. During prayers, if you start sneezing, you get out of the temple!!
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From little that I know about Hinduism, I think it has nothing to do with 'bad luck' but you walk out so that you don't disturb others praying in the temple. As prayers universally, regardless of religion, demand concentration.
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Originally posted by Andhra:
**The Hadith seems to be clear. 'Allah Like Sneezing!!!'
SO can you explain that?**
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I think you are taking it a bit too literally. 'Allah likes sneezing' doesnt mean we should smell black peppers day and night and sneeze to our hearts content, all in the name of blessings.
Its a natural reflex, and is followed by the utterance of 'Alhamdulillah', which means, 'all praise be to Allah'. So anything that involves praising Allah will be better liked than one that doesnt. Yawning is a semi-concious reflex, which occurs out of boredom or tiredness. It obviously is not liked, in comparison to sneezing.
Besides, if you want knowledge of Islam, jumping to issues like sneezing and yawning long before you tackle issues such as monotheism and oneness of God is not going to help. This amounts to nothing more than nitpicking. Its no different than someone talking about hindus drinking urine, while bypassing everything else they do.
You cannot learn about/judge/assess a religion based on such random points.
I think you are taking it a bit too literally. ‘Allah likes sneezing’ doesnt mean we should smell black peppers day and night and sneeze to our hearts content, all in the name of blessings. <<
I think you are wrong. Koran and Hadith are the cornerstone of Islam.
If you check the website I gave you it is given under ‘Authentic Supplication Of the Weel’.
In case you missed it, the tone is quite serious and there is no explanation about taking it literally as you guys are trying to convince me to do.
Its a natural reflex, and is followed by the utterance of ‘Alhamdulillah’, which means, ‘all praise be to Allah’. So anything that involves praising Allah will be better liked than one that doesnt. Yawning is a semi-concious reflex, which occurs out of boredom or tiredness. It obviously is not liked, in comparison to sneezing. <<
Once again you are giving ‘Interpretations’ whereas the Hadith is quite clear.
Mind you it is not Non-Muslims who say Kotran and Hadith are inviolable, unalterable, it is Muslims themselves.
Besides, if you want knowledge of Islam, jumping to issues like sneezing and yawning long before you tackle issues such as monotheism and oneness of God is not going to help. This amounts to nothing more than nitpicking. Its no different than someone talking about hindus drinking urine, while bypassing everything else they do.
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Thank You. The gist of this part seems to be, 'You overlook our snezing and we will overlook your cow-piss drinking.
No we don’t need that. We are prepared to say drinking cow urine is wrong and stupid and whoever does that is a loony.
Moreover there is no ‘Hadith’ about drinking cow urine in Hinduism
You cannot learn about/judge/assess a religion based on such random points. <<
‘Random Points’ apply to Hinduism. There are so many Gods, traditions, sacred texts.
Not to Islam. There are only the Koran and the Hadith. So if I quote from them, what’s random about it?
You work in a company. You will be given guidelines on how to conduct yourself in meetings. Noone will fire you for yawning in a meeting (though its not unthinkable), but people will definitely frown upon it. They will dislike it.
On the other hand, sneezing will draw a 'bless you' from everyone in the room.
Now Im sure this concept makes perfect sense to you. But when the same concept is cited in Islamic scriptures, it whisks past your head.
Why dont you just put a crying frustrated symbol at the start of all your threads, since thats all they demonstrate.
The books of hadeeth do not give explanations any where. The explanations come from tafseer from people present. For example, abu Huraira (radhi Allaho anh) was always with the prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) and was fully aware of why certain things were revealed, for whom and under what circumstances. It is highly illogical to pick and ask fror explanations and then not accept explanations.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.