DEAR HINDU BROTHERS,
HOW MANY GODS OF YOU?IN ISLAM GOD IS ONLY ONE .I KNOW THAT HINDUS HAVE MANY GODS.FOR MY INFORMATION YOU WILL PROVIDE THE LIST OF GODS.
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Originally posted by MUHAMMAD ZEESHAN FARRUKH:
DEAR HINDU BROTHERS,
HOW MANY GODS OF YOU?IN ISLAM GOD IS ONLY ONE .I KNOW THAT HINDUS HAVE MANY GODS.FOR MY INFORMATION YOU WILL PROVIDE THE LIST OF GODS.
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Ahh, yes, more caps lock.
For Your Information - using all capital letters generally means that you are shouting. Why? Well, the English reader is taught to read letters using a mixture of upper and lower case letters, so much so that he actually uses the shape of the word as an aid in reading. By using all caps, you alter the shape of the word, causing the brain to have to read each word letter by letter, jarring it's normal reading routine, and making people feel incorrigible.
Now, back to your questions.
1.) What is Hinduism? Are they the damned polytheistic idol worshippers that Mohammed was supposed to kill in 4 months time?
The term Hindu was coined by British colonizers as a singular term to represent the varied traditions they saw in the Sindh area, calling them Sindhus/Hindus. Hinduism, then, represents a vast cultural milieu of many traditions from the subcontinent. An orthodox Hindu believes the Vedas are divinely inspired texts, which were later expounded on by sages and rishis in the Upanishads.
*2) Islam has one God. Hinduism has many. Therefore, Islam is better. *
You haven't studied Hinduism, have you? Why is it that Islam can have multiple angels, but Hindus can't have multiple Devas who exist on a plane between humans and God? Secondly, Hindus believe in a singular God, which we call Brahman. The forms that you think are various different gods are really just different forms of the same God, meant to represent different aspects of God. Infinity is a powerful concept, something which not all of us can grasp correctly. What you need to do, since you want to learn so much about Hinduism, is to take a critical study of the Upanishads, and see just how many different Gods you will see mentioned. And you will be surprised, because only the name Brahman will appear.
** 3) Name your Gods, though I don't really have a reason for such a request, because I am not prepared to discuss this on a rational, logical, academic level, and instead are only interested in furthering my crusade against all Hindus as the evil neighbor to the south. **
Brahman. Everything else you hear is gravy, meant to attach a finite manifested form to the unmanifest concept of Ultimate Reality.
Can you explain why Brahman had to come in different shapes/figures, instead of one?
Please dont tell me that because time change so he came in different ways to fit in……
Don’t hate....Cooperate:)
Dear Mohammed whatever, Hindus also believe in one god but the difference is they give you the freedom of worshiping him in different shapes and sexes as they have no objection to idol worship.
Here is a list of what Hindus don’t believe in
1.Child molesting i.e. marrying 9 year old children
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2.Homosexuality. Our concept of heaven doesn’t include young boys serving you hand and foot!
3.Incest.I think on this one Muslims and Hindus agree.They apparently are different from Romans.See I am being fair
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so think about all this when you have the time and let’s by all means discuss Hinduism
who cares how many gods most of the people worried about where next meals come from
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Originally posted by yOuNgBrAt:
**Can you explain why Brahman had to come in different shapes/figures, instead of one?
Please dont tell me that because time change so he came in different ways to fit in……
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Unlike Allah, Brahman is not a personality; Brahman itself has no form. Brahman is not this object to be revered; it has no personality traits such as mercy, fear, spite, or "mysterious ways". Brahman is not a judge, does not call us to fight holy wars, and is not subject to a final judgment day.
Can you picture such a being, such an Ulimate Truth? The pure infinity of the Brahman ethos does not have the form of a man, unlike the God of the Old Testament. Yet many people cannot focus on the infinite invisibility of the unmanifest, so they create manifest forms to focus their devotion.
I dare you - try to imagine what the pure infinite unmanifest reality looks like. I challenge you that your view will not be any more creative than a large vat of gray tapioca pudding. And there it is - the need to create personal forms of God to fit a situation that needs a less than intellectual pursuit of spirituality.
DEAR HINDU BROTHERS,
HOW MANY GODS OF YOU?IN ISLAM GOD IS ONLY ONE .I KNOW THAT HINDUS HAVE MANY GODS.FOR MY INFORMATION YOU WILL PROVIDE THE LIST OF GODS.
DEAR muhammad , you wont get any reasonable answer from here.
actually they have many gods , breakfast time its a different , lunch time its different and dinner time its somthing else.
we are talking about beleife, faith of one realigion if one can not have a faith on there own religion and rathar curse about other religion and finally end up converting into that religion is called hinduasim. now remember muhammad , andhra has a point there according to andhra hinduasim has the freedom ,
i would't call it freedom coz if one is not saticfied with the religoin that person will end up changing it.the whole idea behinde changing a religion is coz that person know its not the truth ,so i rest my case.
do you agree with that?
Andhra announced:
Andhra, my Brahmin buddy, Hindus might not believe in these things, but by a remarkable coincedence, I can provide you with genuine hindu texts which promote all of these exciting practices!
Just say when…
How about a thought experiment? Why do you think having one god is more logical than two? If one god is true and you can prove that, I can prove a million gods. I find it very strange that you find it fit to argue on something which is only a belief and nothing more and nothing less. It is right to argue that Quran is a complete book or something similar but not that god is one and not 1000. Prove one god.
why did this pure brahman crook has produced hundreds of thousands of lowlifes is a mystery.
Can you picture such a being, such an Ulimate Truth? The pure infinity of the Brahman ethos does not have the form of a man, unlike the God of the Old Testament. Yet many people cannot focus on the infinite invisibility of the unmanifest, so they create manifest forms to focus their devotion. <<<<<
the ultimate truth is... brahman has fulfilled all of its perverted fantasies in the name of hinduism. today there are 300 million lowlife shoodars among 800 million hindus. this pure brahman is responsible for producing hundreds and thousands of devdasies who are just prostitutes. I know its a common thing for hindus to put all the blame on muslims and other religions..... but how were muslims responsible for creating 300 million shoodars and these religious hindu prostitutes? Even today these numbers are on the rise.
I dare you - try to imagine what the pure infinite unmanifest reality looks like. I challenge you that your view will not be any more creative than a large vat of gray tapioca pudding. And there it is - the need to create personal forms of God to fit a situation that needs a less than intellectual pursuit of spirituality. <<<<<<
how do u explain lingum worshipping? drinking milk with rats? stories of bulls mating with monkeys as something pure?
hare hare
allah says in the quran that the reason why their is not more than one god is because if their was gods they would be busy fighting over control of the earth and then the world wouldnt exist.......its a logical explanation
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Originally posted by sufimaster:
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allah says in the quran that the reason why their is not more than one god is because if their was gods they would be busy fighting over control of the earth and then the world wouldnt exist.......its a logical explanation **
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c'mon, dont tell us that gods are jealous and quarrelsome by nature.
Originally posted by sufimaster:
*allah says in the quran that the reason why their is not more than one god is because if their was gods they would be busy fighting over control of the earth and then the world wouldnt exist.......its a logical explanation *
First thing, how can you be so sure that 'allah says in quran'.
Second, do you think gods and humans have the same natural instincts.
Third, if they are gods they can create as many worlds as they want, they don't have to fight for the earth (as we do for Kashmir), they can create one more, if they desire.
Do you see some logic in your logic?
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First thing, how can you be so sure that 'allah says in quran'. **
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The Quran says so.
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Originally posted by dhir:
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Second, do you think gods and humans have the same natural instincts.**
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Muslims come from the Judaic/Christian tradition which was at odds with the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians. Islam literature maps what they knew of those Gods to what they think they know of the Hindu tradition, and try to make a "one to one" and "onto" correlation, because that's what they are taught to do to the polytheistic idol-worshippers.
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Originally posted by dhir:
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Third, if they are gods they can create as many worlds as they want, they don't have to fight for the earth (as we do for Kashmir), they can create one more, if they desire.
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{sarcasm} Naww, my maign. These Gods are so jealous and possessive that any new worlds would also be fought for, see? {/sarcasm}
Intelligent talk, astro. Keep up the good work cos I don't normally feel comfortable discussing religion because the very basis of a religion is only faith and no logic, which Muslims as usual will beg to differ as they feel that god really came down to human beings to give them a set of rules to live, really strange - created the world in six days and took so many years to tell the rules of the game, or may be like hinduism, the rules keep evolving and go on changing from one prophet to another, or is that the gods who came to Jesus or Moses or Mohd. are different gods of hinduism, but these little human beings are not able to understand.
Andhra, my Brahmin buddy, Hindus might not believe in these things, but by a remarkable coincedence, I can provide you with genuine hindu texts which promote all of these exciting practices! <<
I bow to your superior knowledge of Hinduism as on almost everything Indian
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However as a Hindu let me point out that Hindus accept that such people are criminals.
They do not say, venerate such people
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Originally posted by dhir:
Keep up the good work cos I don't normally feel comfortable discussing religion because the very basis of a religion is only faith and no logic.
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Faith, on some level, is good because it gives a person something to hold on to, to look towards in times of need - it helps to fill a hole in a sometimes lonely heart, giving hope when maybe there is none.
BUT, upon further examination, faith must give way to logic - it has to make sense, right? And that's the way I start. Take ullu for example, our atheist extraordinaire. Start with that mindsight ("This whole God concept is a great boogey-man story meant to keep the proletariat down"), and try to examine logically the religious traditions. Immediately, lots of stuff gets tossed out the window, like rituals and icons and pilgrimmages and dharma shastras, and you start to move to more intellectual discourses of what the Ultimate Truth really is. Does it make sense? Maybe not now, maybe later, maybe never. But it is the search to arguments, for logical proof, that drives my spirituality; and I find a profound amount of experential logic in my canon, which I am still trying to sift through, to see how the Great Debaters of the Hindu tradition framed their arguments.
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**Hindu Pundit Suggests Hindus to Embrace Islam
News Source: Pakistanlink.Com
ISLAMABAD: The Kalki Qtar being awaited by the Hindus for centuries is actually Hazrat Mohammad ( Peace be upon him) who had brought the message of Allah 1,400 years back and as such , the Hindus should not waste their time and embrace Islam, according to a report appearing in weekly Hurmat
The magazine quoted a book titled ‘Kalki Otar’ by a Hindu Pundit , ved Prakash recently published in India as having disclosed that according to the holy books of the Hindu religion , Kalki Otar was to be born in Arab islands his father’s name would be ‘vishno Bhagat’ and mother’s name was to be ’ Somanb’ and both the words are Sansikarised version of Abdullah and Amenah. Similarly , the Hindu books said that he was to get knowledge through an angel in a cave and it has already happened in the xasw of Hazrat Mohammad ( peace be upon him ). There fore , Hindus should embrace Islam without fail .
The Hurmat added that ved Prakash held a high position in Allahabad University and he had presented his research before eight grand pundits of India and they had endorsed his research.–NNI
18 May 1999
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** Fun With Hinduism **
The Kalki avataar will appear in the 'chathush-paadam' of the Kali Yuga. We are only in the 'Prathama-paadam', or first portion of this yuga, which in total lasts 432,000 years.
The 'Bhavishya Puraanaa' states that the Avataar will appear in a Brahmin family in a village in Uttar Pradesh. The village name is also indicated in the Puraanaa.
But even so, it is all part of the 'shrushthi.' When we lose attachment to the body and the material surroundings, then the transitions between life and death become trivial, as we have been on this journey for some time, and will continue to be until we are advanced enough for spiritual liberation.
**Hindu scriptures are essentially pornographic in nature, full of sexual allusion, sexual symbolism, passages of frank eroticism and stories relating to venal love. Some religious sects even introduced ritual intercourse as part of their cult and a potent aid to salvation 14 ]. The rituals, festivals and ceremonies are characterized by the display of obscene portraits, sex and sex-worship. The temples, places of pilgrimage and other holy shrines are full of sculptures with all sorts of sexual postures. The sexual life of Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu, is well-known for its indecency. He had illicit relations with Radha, wife of his maternal uncle, in addition to a number of milk-maids, although he had a large number of wives 15 ]. Among Hindu gods, the most prominent ones are: Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the sustainer) and Siva (the destroyer). Brahma is found guilty of cohabiting with his own daughter, Saraswati. It is for that reason that he is deprived of being worshipped. Vishnu is guilty of deceitfully ruining the chastity of a married woman, called Tulasi. Siva is not worshipped but the image of his linga (sex-organ) is widely worshipped. This is because of the curse of some sage 16 ]. In the sculpture, Siva and his consort Parvati are depicted in various explicit poses of the sexual act. Prostitution is encouraged in the form of religious custom of devdasi (slave-girls dedicated to temple-idols). Hindu gods and rishis (sages) are found engaged in sexual act with beautiful women and breeding illegitimate children. As for instance, in order that Rama could have strong soldiers in his army, the gods engaged themselves in begetting powerful sons. This they did by engaging themselves, in the words of Dr. Ambedkar 17 ], "in wholesale acts of fornication, not only against apsaras, who were prostitutes, not only against the unmarried daughters of Yashas 18 ] and nagas, but also against the lawfully wedded wives of Ruksha, Vidhyadhar, Ghandharvas, Kinnars, and Vanaras (monkeys) and produced the vanaras who became the associates of Rama" 19 ].
References...
[14] A.L Basham, The Wonders That Was India (Calcutta: 1967), p. 172.
[15] The number of his wives was sixteen thousand one hundred and eight (16,108) and his children numbered one hundred and eighty thousand (180,000). See Ambedkar, Riddle of Rama and Krishna, (Bangalore: 1988), p.25.
[16] See Chapter 4.
[17] Dr. Ambedkar was the first law minister of independent India and was the author of India's constitution.
[18] Yaksha, naga, ruksha, vidyadhar, gandharva, kinna, each of these words means demigod.
[19] Ambedkar, p.7.
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