**Hindu scriptures are essentially pornographic in nature, full of sexual allusion, sexual symbolism, passages of frank eroticism and stories relating to venal love. Some religious sects even introduced ritual intercourse as part of their cult and a potent aid to salvation 14 ]. The rituals, festivals and ceremonies are characterized by the display of obscene portraits, sex and sex-worship. The temples, places of pilgrimage and other holy shrines are full of sculptures with all sorts of sexual postures. The sexual life of Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu, is well-known for its indecency. He had illicit relations with Radha, wife of his maternal uncle, in addition to a number of milk-maids, although he had a large number of wives 15 ]. Among Hindu gods, the most prominent ones are: Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the sustainer) and Siva (the destroyer). Brahma is found guilty of cohabiting with his own daughter, Saraswati. It is for that reason that he is deprived of being worshipped. Vishnu is guilty of deceitfully ruining the chastity of a married woman, called Tulasi. Siva is not worshipped but the image of his linga (sex-organ) is widely worshipped. This is because of the curse of some sage 16 ]. In the sculpture, Siva and his consort Parvati are depicted in various explicit poses of the sexual act. Prostitution is encouraged in the form of religious custom of devdasi (slave-girls dedicated to temple-idols). Hindu gods and rishis (sages) are found engaged in sexual act with beautiful women and breeding illegitimate children. As for instance, in order that Rama could have strong soldiers in his army, the gods engaged themselves in begetting powerful sons. This they did by engaging themselves, in the words of Dr. Ambedkar 17 ], "in wholesale acts of fornication, not only against apsaras, who were prostitutes, not only against the unmarried daughters of Yashas 18 ] and nagas, but also against the lawfully wedded wives of Ruksha, Vidhyadhar, Ghandharvas, Kinnars, and Vanaras (monkeys) and produced the vanaras who became the associates of Rama" 19 ].
References...
[14] A.L Basham, The Wonders That Was India (Calcutta: 1967), p. 172.
[15] The number of his wives was sixteen thousand one hundred and eight (16,108) and his children numbered one hundred and eighty thousand (180,000). See Ambedkar, Riddle of Rama and Krishna, (Bangalore: 1988), p.25.
[16] See Chapter 4.
[17] Dr. Ambedkar was the first law minister of independent India and was the author of India's constitution.
[18] Yaksha, naga, ruksha, vidyadhar, gandharva, kinna, each of these words means demigod.
[19] Ambedkar, p.7.
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Originally posted by pakistan99: Don't play games with me kiddo!
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Why would I want to play games with you? After all, you have already made up your mind as to how evil Hinduism is. If only you read anti-Islam material with such an "open" mind. You are the one who hijacked a thread dealing with Hindu Gods and brought up conversion. You are the one who has yet to post his own thoughts, instead relying on the work of others, and simply adding quick little one-liner retorts that add nothing to your posts, except maybe an air of ignorance.
Since you have so coolly brought up Krishna, it becomes a wonder if you have read the Mahabharata, wherein Krishna has only one wife, Rukmini, and where Radha does not even come into play. Instead, you refer to the Krishna-leela, a story of Krishna's life as told by the fervent bhakti devotees.
As for Rama - you are, of course, aware that Rama banished Sita out of the kingdom based simply on the rumor that she had relations with Ravana, right? Even though Sita had proven herself chaste by walking through a fire, the people of the kingdom did not believe her, and so Rama, believing that the dharma towards his kingdom was higher than his personal life, left her. Fornication? Whatever. The need for chastity was so high that Rama was willing to let go his own wife.
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Originally posted by ChannMahi: Now what fun religion would be without sex? Without sex there would be no humans in 80 years........and God will die with them too.
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Religion without sex? Well, you get the Golden race of the Greeks - a race so perfect that they forgot to procreate, and died off in a generation. The Greek Gods quickly rectified that situation by creating the Silver race - a race so evil and wicked that the Gods had to wipe them out. To balance the two, the Greek Gods created the Bronze race - good enough to respect humanity, bad enough to make sure it continued on. The spirits of the Gold race still help the Bronze race through the tough times.
Mr. Andhra, Please regard your seniority and try to be polite when answering childish attempts.
Being a Mulsim, I do agree that Hindus too belive in oneness of God. Muslims have 99 names for one God that depict an over all image of God Almighty. Similarly, Hindus, having the knowledg of art & craft, have given different shapes to define the image of God Almighty.
Why Muslims are prohibited from Moorti Puja is a different topic though it has logic.
For marriage, both male & female should be adults. It is a Quranic rule so any “story” which differes this rule should be rejected.
Homesexuality is also “Haraam” in Islam (I don’t know what made you quote this filth any why?)
Yes, we are allowed to marry our first cousins. This is as per a social agreement so can not be regarded as a sin or crime. The word “incest” is not an appropriate word to point out this permission.
But you have confirmed how henious and mean you regard the Muslims. I wonder how your fellow Hindus talk about mutual respect for your Muslim compatriots. It can be well judged what made the Muslims of sub-continent establish a separte homeland from you Hindus back in 1947. You have also answered another topic in these forums “where does this haterd came from”. Obviously, some filthy brains like you are the cause!
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Originally posted by astrosfan: The need for chastity was so high that Rama was willing to let go his own wife.
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You mean your rama god was so mad that to win a stupid war he was willing to let his wife sleep with other men and make a big army
Idon't know 'bout u, but thats so funny to me...
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Originally posted by pakistan99:
** You mean your rama god was so mad that to win a stupid war he was willing to let his wife sleep with other men and make a big army
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Hmm, exactly which contorted version of the Ramayana are you referring to, so as I can refute your statement properly?
Stupid wars? Like the one written up by Humphrey Hawksley in his new book Dragon Fire, about the possibility of nuclear war between India, Pakistan, and China, wherein both Pakistan and India are laid to waste? Or stupid wars like the one you are fighting, trying to convert Hindus to Islam, without first understanding Hindu philosophy and seeing why there is such a need to convert them?
Why does it upset the muslims if the hindus want to worship millions of Gods. After all the hindus are not asking the muslims to join in with them. There should be freedom of choice for everybody in today's world. It's OK if you believe in one God and it's also OK if you want to believe in many Gods.
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Originally posted by Banta Singh: Why does it upset the muslims if the hindus want to worship millions of Gods. After all the hindus are not asking the muslims to join in with them. There should be freedom of choice for everybody in today's world. It's OK if you believe in one God and it's also OK if you want to believe in many Gods.
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The Mushrikaan (i.e. polytheists) are specifically considered unclean (Sura 9:28). The good Muslim should try to clean up his polytheistic brethren by teaching him the truth. If he rejects the truth, he is a Kaafir.
I do not believe in the judgment day. I am kaafir.
Mr. Andhra, Please regard your seniority and try to be polite when answering childish attempts.<<
Childish attempts is right. But they are not mine.I was trying to define what Hindus Do not believe in.
Why does that upset you?I was not talking about Muslims at all right ?
Homesexuality is also “Haraam” in Islam (I don’t know what made you quote this filth any why?)<<
Again where did I mention Islam in my post ?
Yes, we are allowed to marry our first cousins. This is as per a social agreement so can not be regarded as a sin or crime. The word “incest” is not an appropriate word to point out this permission.<<
Really ?
But you have confirmed how henious and mean you regard the Muslims. <<
Again i was talking about Hinduism.
What are you feeling so defensive for?
Islam agrees with Hinduism on the points I listed I hope
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Originally posted by ullu:
**I would say worshipping 7 gods is right thing to do.
Anyone who worships more than 7 gods or less of them is going to end up in hell. In that case, dont complain that I did not warn you.**
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Now c'mon Ullu. I want to see your scripture - I want to see how perfect it is, how the number 19 can pop up everywhere, how scientific truths of the next 2000 years can be dug up from it's poetry. And your paltry description of hell. Ha! How can I believe/fear your words if this is all you give me?
Hindus believe in many gods and goddesses. Some of them are human (e.g. Krishna, Rama 13 ]), some animals (e.g. fish, monkey, rat, snake), (some animal-humans as in the case of Ganesh who has the head of elephant with trunk and the body of a human), and some others are natural phenomena (e.g. dawn, fire, sun). Their number is generally believed to be 330 million. According to Hindu belief, god incarnates, i.e., takes the form of human being and other animals and appears in this earth in that form. Gods and goddesses were born like human beings and had wives and children. No god possesses absolute power; some of the gods are weaker than the sages and some others even weaker than the monkey (e.g. Rama). Another aspect about Hindu gods is that the status of their godhood is not fixed. One finds that some gods were worshipped for a time and then abandoned and new gods and goddesses were adopted instead. The gods and goddesses worshipped now-a-days in Hindu homes and temples are not Vedic. The Vedic gods like Agni (fire), Surya (sun) Usha (dawn) are completely rejected and the gods and goddesses mentioned in the Puranas are worshipped by modern Hindus. Similarly, Rama who is currently receiving increasing acceptance among Hindus in India because of the wide propagation of the official and other media was never worshipped as a deity until the eleventh century.
Ref :[13] Hindu zealots demolished the historic Babari Masjid on 6 December 1992 in order to construct a temple on its site for Rama.
There was once, a story goes, a man called Bell-Ears, a fanatical devotee of the god Shiva. He always went about chanting the name of Shiva. In his ear-lobes he wore little bells, and whenever he heard anyone chanting the name of any other god or goddess, he used to shake the bells violently to drown out the unwelcome sound. Lord Shiva, however, was not pleased with this narrowness. One day when Bell-Ears was worshipping him, Shiva, to teach him a lesson, made himself visible in a strange form: one side of the body was Shiva and the other side Vishnu. It was like saying, "Here I am, you see: I am in all divine forms." That was the idea. But Bell-Ears was such a fanatic that with his finger he closed the nostril on Vishnu's side, to prevent that god from smelling the incense! Some people never learn.
At least non of the millions of hindu Gods send human males on this earth with a complete body and then order them to get their willies cut off and order females to have their fannies cut off and then sewn up.
Has any body heard of thousands of young muslim girls dying because of this horrible muslim practice, in countries like somalia and sudan?
What I would like to know is that if God wanted muslims not to have these bits of their bodies then why did HE creat them with complete bodies in the first place? Surely it can't be that difficult for God to create a muslim without his foreskin, can it?