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bro Ibn Sadique- thanks for your reply. Though unfortunately you have copied and pasted most of the stuff thats been answered here before like the sermon of Imam Ali (as) (search of the archives can verify this). You seem to save all this material for a later date, only to unleash it on somebody else who in return then waste their time again in answering it.
Anyway, are you sure this time that Al Qurba includes all the relatives of the Prophet (saww)?** my 2nd question is, who do you think includes Aal e Ibrahim (as) that you include in the salam/salawat?/**QUOTE]
[quote=“Pagluu, post:13, topic:208028”]
^** So according to you anybody who follows Ibrahim (as) is his AAL
Would you say this statement represents your view or would you like to amend it?/**QUOTE]
Salaams brother Pagluu – I hope that you had a very good Eid.
Sorry I didn’t back earlier – I think it was more appropriate to be ‘away’ from debating in the last few days of Ramadan.
You really thought that you had me in the wrong, didn’t you.
Let’s refer the Quran for this: And see who has the best claim to Hz. Ibrahim(as)
[Pickthal 3:68] Lo! those of mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who believe (with him); and Allah is the Protecting Guardian of the believers.
See the commentary to the above ayah by Shia Scholar and he quite a hardcore!
Look for ayah 3:68
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 3:68]
***The nearest of men to Ibrahim were surely those who followed him and his religion. Nearness takes effect through faithful following, not because of relationship, *and that is why the son of Nuh has been condemned (Hud: 45, 46). Ali ibna abi Talib has also said that the nearest to the Holy Prophet is he who obeys Allah, though he may not be related to him, and the enemy of the Holy Prophet is he who disobeys Allah, though he may be related to him. Imam Ali bin Husayn al Zayn al Abidin has said: “Paradise is for the pious, be he a slave; and hell is for the wicked, be he a Quraysh (relative of the Holy Prophet).” And that which was applicable to Ibrahim is applicable to the Holy Prophet and those who believe as the Holy Prophet believes. It must be noted that obedience to Allah is not possible unless one obeys the Holy Prophet, and those whom the Holy Prophet has designated to be obeyed, his beloved Ahl ul Bayt. Those who watched the Holy Prophet, fighting his enemies in the battles, from a safe distance, as if having no interest in the outcome of the war, so as to change sides at will and join the winners, or at least run away from the scene of conflict to save their lives and properties, can never be included among the “men nearest to the Holy Prophet”; as also those who opposed and killed his Ahlul Bayt. They are the worst hypocrites, his hidden enemies.
Similarly there is a narration from the Prophet (saw):
After having conquere Makkah the Prophet (saw) turned to Medinah and said: “Those Ahlel Bayt of mine think that they have the most right (to me) and it is not like this. Rather those who have the most right to me from amongst you are the pious, whoever they are and wherever they are.” [Narrated by Ibn Abi Asim 2/689 and Al-Tabarani 20/121]
“The Prophet (saw) has shown that the true relationship to him is that of piety and religion and not of biological descent. Had the Prophet (saw) indeed set a dynasty of rulers from his offspring, this would have cast doubt to the Prophet’s truthfulness and sincerity in conveying Allah’s word and then the Prophet (saw) would have been like other kings who were after this Dunya (materialistic world) and founded kingdoms with dynasties from their offspring. Indeed, the Prophet (saw) even forbade his progeny from inheriting wealth from him!”