what is the definition of Ahl ul Bayt

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what is the definition of Ahl ul Bayt?

can neone explain in the light of holy quran and Ahadith.

few ppl says that Ahl ul Bayt mean Punj Tun Pak ? is that correct?

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progeny from Ali (a.s.) and bibi Fatima Zehra (a.s.)

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This is based on Ayat-e-tatheer in quran sharif and supporting ahadith.

sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 5955: * 'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one norning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped hitn under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: **Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)*

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ahl-e-bayt translated to urdu wud mean "ghar waalay"....

now go ask anyone in the world who his "ghar walay" are....

if someone invites u to dinner and tells u "apnay ghar waalon ko bhee saath lana", who wud u take with u????

Bijli Bachaiye!
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The holy quran only uses the term Ahl-e-Baat to refer to the wives of the prophet... , However, Hazrat Ali , Hazrat Fatima RA & their children are also considered to be part of Ahl-e-Baat as per our holy prophet's hadiths

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Please read the Holy book. When the Prophet (SAW) was asked to take the "ghar walay", who did he take.

  • Quran - 003.061 * YUSUFALI: If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"
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only the wives which have prophets (AS) in their progeny. like Bibi Sarah and Bibi Marium. Wife is not a permanent relationship please look at the Hz Nuh (AS) and Hz Lut (AS) stories in Quran.

Hence as proven through Quran and Ahadith only Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain are considered as Ahlul Bayt.

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actually all of banu abdul muttalib is considered part of ahlulbayt

i.e abbas , aqil, jafar and their sons plus other brothers of abu talib. Including honorary members like zayd b haritha , his son , salman etc

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The definition of Ahlul Bayt depends on whether your view is more important or the Prophets (saw)'s. If you think your opinion is more valid, then your're obviously going to interpret it as whoever you feel like, if however you rely on the Prophet (saw) opinon, then you'll most likely get a different picture. So it all depends to be honest...on how big your ego is.

And that is where the real test comes in..

Guys vs Gurlz
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Ahl-ul-Bayt literally translates to People of the House. I'm going to have to go with Ma Mooli's post which is true.

According to Hadees-e-Kisa, which was posted above and is read by Sunnis, but much shorter is all you need to read is to know who the Ahl-ul-bayt and Panjtaan Paak are. Then again, the views differ and you guys say the wives are included, they probably are but I don't know.

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agree with u 100 % ere Das .. and as some are confused .. the Wives if the Holy Prophet SAW are also considered part of the Ahl e Bayt.

however, i wud like to point one thing out that any family from the Prophet SAW from the banu Quraish are also considered of Ahl e Beyt .. But keeping in mind that the Lineage of Saadaat i.e. Sayed's is only continuous from the family of Hazrat Ali RA and Ummul Mu mineen Seyeda Fatimah RA. And those whose lineage goes and is linked to the Quraish Tribe are not Seyed's although still prt of the Ahl e Beyt .. :)

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First of all I'd like to point out that Sayyeda Fatima Zahra (sa) is NOT Ummul Momineen. Only the wives of the Prophet (saw) are. Fatima Zahra (sa) is Sayyedatul Nisa-el-Alameen which is in your books, but is another story so lets stay on topic.

The Ahl-ul-Bayt/Panjtaan Paak were identified during the events Kisa and Mubahila. Hadees-e-Kisa was posted above and it was narrated by Aisha herself. Was she under the cloak? I'm pretty sure you are aware of the event of Mubahila, where were the wives there? yes, they are the wives of the Prophet (saw), they are ALL Ummul Momineen but they are not of the Ahl-ul-Bayt.

Surah 33, Ayah 33 also makes it clear, read that and then read Surah Tahreem and decide whether the wives of Rasoolallah (saw) are part of Ahl-ul-Bayt or not.

Jahez culture
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Sahi Muslim, Book 31, Number 5923:

Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household ? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited.

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[33:30] O wives of the prophet! whoever of you commits an open indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly; and this IS easy to Allah.

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[33:33].... Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.

The above verses of the Holy Qur'an will be contradictory if one is to consider the wives of the Holy Prophet as part of Ahlay Bayt (AS) . The first of the two verses is warning the wives to refrain from sinning and if they shall then the punishment for them will be double. The later verse contains a promise from Allah (swt) to keep the Ahlay Bayt (AS) purified, i.e. sinless. Sunni and Shia scholars have outlined 28 various kinds of impurities (RIJIS), that they all unanimously agree Allah (SWT) kept away from the purified Ahlay Bayt (AS).

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We do use the term "ghar walay" in a general sense just like you have mentioned but the Holy Quran follows a different theme and it will be of very little use if we started to imply our own meanings on the word of Allah (SWT). In the Holy Quran, even if one is to be the son of a prophet of Allah, the lack of righteousness gets him disowned from the progeny (Itrat) of the apostolic family. It is for this reason that the term Ahlul-Bayt is restricted to the deserving members of the House of the Prophet and doesn't cover all of those who are born from his blood. Ahlul-Bayt are only the individuals among Prophet's descendants who also had close affinity in character and utmost spiritual attainment with Prophet (SAWW)

[11:45]
And Noah called upon his Lord, and said:
"O my Lord! surely my son is of my family!
and Thy promise is true,
and Thou art the justest of Judges!"

Allah's answer is:

[11:46]
He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family:
For his conduct is unrighteous.
So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge!
I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!"

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real test is the reliability of sources

as a 12er you would be inclined to accept your sources as correct and sunnis will obviously theirs

no believing muslim 12er , sunni or otherwise would ever dare to put his opinion over Prophets

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dear bro , how can other tribes of quraish be ahle bayt
apart from banu hashim ( except when membership was honorary)

e.g banu makhzum, banu adi , banu ummayyah etc

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Surdar Asif Please go through the full version of same hadith you quoted above

Yazid b. Hayyan reported, I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: *His wives are the members of his family *(but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes.

Sahih Muslim Book:31 Number:5920

Read the highlighted part and Hz. Zaid b. Arqam (ra) clearly states that the wives are part of Prophet's family.

Do you seriously mean to say that Hz. Fatimah (ra) is not from Ahle-Bayt of Hz. Ali (ra)??!!

Shias don't take wife to be part of man's family - strange the whole world takes wife/wives to be part of man's family.

On Humorous Side

Umar (Sunni) invites his good friend Hussein (a Shia) and his family (ahlel bayt) to have Iftar with them.

Hussein arrives at Umar's place with his children and parents in tow.

Umar seeing that Hussien's wife was missing asked concernedly if she was ok.

Hussein retorted: But the invitation was for only me and my family.

Umar : Yes so why didn't she come?

Hussein: My wife ain't part of my family. So she stays home!!!

That's right I think Hz. Bilal (ra) was among this group (honorary members)

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righteous I am sure you will agree that the Quran is accurate and very precise.

The above ayah clearly states "our women" - note it is plural indicating clearly that there is more than one lady among the ahle Bayt.

So lady Fatimah (ra) represent rest of the ladies. Or are you expecting the Prophet to bring all his wives out in the open??

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Dear Ibn Sadique, please read my posts # 14 and #15.