What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?

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Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?

@ **Nussairee

in one your replies you said, Hazrat Ali (RZA) is burried next to Hazrat Adam and Nooh (AS).... if we assume that this is true, then can you tell me who is buried in better place?

a) Hazrat Abu Bakr & Umer (RZA) as they are buried next to Hazrat Mohammad (SAAW)
b) Hazrat Ali (RZA) because he is buried next to Hazrat Adam & Nooh (AS)

**Now please try to be specific and select a or b... only if you can

and also can you tell me where Noori Tebrasii your MAN OF KNOWLEDGE is buried?

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u r funny too, huh.....

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Suytti is historian, nothing more, even he himself says in his books that he has collected all the information without verifying the source, Mohammad Ismail Bukhari says the same in his preface of Sahi Bukhari infact Imam Bukhari goes a step further and says that it is duty of Muslim to verify the thing mentioned in this book...
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fair enough..........Allamah Suyuti is not responsible for wht he wrote in his tarikh...........and Bukhari merely collected what he deemed sahih............therefore they r both exempt from all the wrong information in their books............why does the same rule not apply to Tabrisi?...............

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Now coming back to NOORI TEBRASI your MAN OF KNOWLEDGE who somehow gathered so much knowledge that he claims that Quran is fabricated...
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he was a mohaddis like bukhari and collected narration on various topics..........i wud look quite silly if i said that Bukhari believed that Aisha took bath infront of ppl.........fed milk to adult males......and goat ate away parts of the Quran............just because Bukhari has all these narrations graded 'sahih' in his book!

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believe ur own fantasies but do not try to ascribe them to others............to ur is ur belief and to me is mine............good on u and ur heroes............insha allah they lead u on the judgement day too........muawiya, yazid and abu sufyan...........i have no problems with this.

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read Bukhari and u will find tht Abu Bakr and umar are next to the Prophet due to cheap politics .............keeping in mind wht was done to the dead body of Imam Hasan (as) whose wish was to be buried next to his grandfather..............and the circumstances surrounding Fatima Zahra (as) burial............
on the other hand u shud read up on the burial procession of Imam Ali (as). You might be amazed at what you will find...........

Noori Tabrasi is buried in the cemetry adjacent to wadias salam in Najaf.

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Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?

Abu Bakr As-Siddique (ra) was named as-siddique by the Messenger of Allah (saw) and gets a positive mention in the Quranpak. what proportion of shias curse him in any shape or form?

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So Sunnis went on war against Sunnis in Siffin and Jamal?

rnt Sunnis allowed to pray Maghrib and Isha together during Hajj, so its not MUST after all ... and am not sure if they are doing the rite thing but some of my sunni frnds pray duhar and asar together in safar(journey) when their prayers are Qasar.

Shias have Asool-e-deen and faro-e-deen.
the guy mentioned sunnis have 10 and shias have 5 pillars of islam so i was little confused .

Its just funny how most of posters in this thread are bashing on other sects when they don't know their own sect properly.

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You have brought this up rapidly during ur last few posts ? recalling ur posts from past that i remember, u dont even qualify as sunni, and debate here is between sunnis and shias so am not sure what is the purpose of creating fitna here when u dont belong to either sect.

Nussarie has already mentioned the hadith where ur MOM Aisha narrated the story of goat....

U r forcing shia to beleive in what ur Mom beleived in. We beleive that Quran is complete just not in the same Order as Prophet s.a.w left it.

when Prophet s.a.w left the world the Quran wasnt in the order it is today.

Did Allah send wahi's in wrong order ? Did Prophet s.a.w forget to put Quran in correct order or did he think it wasnt Important to rearrange the order ? Oh wait ur sahaba's knew more than Prophet s.a.w and Allah so they had to go further and fix the order of Quran.

According to ur Narrations Khalid bin Waleed is Saif Ullah... So Allah's sword was against muslims in Ohad ?.... If Abu bakar was Siddique he couldnt have gone against Fatima a.s Becauze Quran calls ahley bait a.s Tahir... and wether u look for a sunni or shia tafseer... Fatima a.s is among Ahleybait in views of both sects. Taharat and Sadaqat must be on same side.

Siddique means one who never lies.... doesn't sound convincing, when u call a person siddique who didnt beleive in ALLAH for most of his life.

Its upto u to follow Quran or stories from ur book but when there is contradiction one has to be wrong.

am sorry to rest of u who r offended.

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this is the worst assumption anyone could have, The Prophet (SAAW) was here to deliver the message of Allah all Mighty for whole world AND that suppose to last till the hour is establish... Knowing this only mis-guided will assume that the Prophet (SAAW) left Quran without compilation... the Sahaba (RZA) only gave it down in the order It was compiled by the Messenger of Allah All Mighty, the order of Ayaat in any Sura, the order of all Sura has been compiled by none other but the Prophet (SAAW).. It make absoultely no sense that a Person is assgined a duty and he leaves the work half done... untill and unless some body want to make room out of it...

No comments on your bughaz-e-Sahaba.. a man who doubt the Student actually is capabilities of the Teacher (SAAW)...

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I said A or B

but ur bughaz-e-Sahaba is evident and so was your takiya ( not pillow)

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in Suwahiqul Muhriqa.....allamah ibn hajar has a hadith........and many other sunni books have the same or similar hadith where the Prophet pbuh has said that "Hizqil was the truthful one (siddique) from family of Firoun (quran 40:28), habib al Najjar from the family of Yasin (quran 36:30), and Ali ibn Abi Talib who is the most virtous amongst them (quran 9:119)

there is a hadith abt Ammar ibn Yasir being the truthful one.........and his character testifies to that.......

As for Abu bakr.........yes he was among the companions during the life of the Prophet but was never amongst the best............he fled battlefields...........and not once was he given any serious position of leadership by the prophet...........infact many time very young ppl lead him in missions.........unfortunately his actions changed for worse at the death of the Prophet and he was running a campaign while the Prophet (pbuh) was being washed and getting a burial.........he lied and upset the glorious woman of the world to such extent that she stayed away from him for 6 months until she died.............. the glorious woman known as Saddiqa and Quran testifying for her purity from all forms of uncleanliness.........makes one wonder that among a Siddiqa and a Sadiq who is the real deal...........

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well u cant have ur cake and eat it too.............how abt i gve u two options to choose from?

1)many of the munafiqeen were amongst the sahabas
2)many of the sahabas were amongst the munafiqeen

so which 1 do u choose?

I hate the ppl who conspired against the Prophet of Allah..........and hurt his family and killed the noble companions...........nothing "hidden" about this one, is there?............c now, there is no need for "takiya" (the right word btw is taqqaiya)...........

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ook.......thats interesting..........so u dont believe in the famous sunni line that it was Usman's time when the quran was compiled?.............and r u saying that the quran we have today is in the right order?.............is al Fatiha the first set of revealed verses then or am i getting u wrong here?

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Exactly what I said "It make absoultely no sense that a Person is assgined a duty and he leaves the work half done".... Means Prophet s.a.w left Quran in the best order, and if the order was so essential he would have changed it during his life.

Dont u remember those who ran away from Ohad... wether u include umar in them or not ...per ur defination they were all students of Prophet s.a.w, so na-aozobillah did their teacher train em to run away from battle field ?

Can u blame Prophet s.a.w capabilities in this case ? NO ...

Some students were so dumb they spent their life with Teacher like Prophet s.a.w and still didnt learn.

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Re: What is the basic difference between shia’s and sunnis?

@hanibal

I am a convert to Shia and in the past I had heared many allegatious stories that if you research will turn out to be mere disinformation and propoganda. I am going to tell you what you need to know and I leave the rest to you to research for yourself. May Allah (swt) guide us all. Ameen

There are three individuals with the title of Tabarsi among the Shi’a. The one you mentioned who wrote a booklet on the incompleteness of Quran, is al-Nuri al-Tabarsi (Husain Ibn Muhammad Taqi al-Nuri al- Tabarsi) (c 1254/1838 - 1320/1902). Those who call the Shi’a Kafir due to this booklet will be surprised if they know that many of the Hadiths that al-Nuri al-Tabarsi has quoted are, in fact, from the Sunni documents and were quoted from their most authentic books!
Actually his book has two parts. In one part he has gathered the Sunni reports and in the other part he provided the Shi’a reports in this regard. The Wahhabis, who have recently distributed copies of this book to attack the Shi’a, have intentionally omitted the part related to the Sunni reports!
source: Shi’ite Encyclopedia

For further reading there is an excellent book by Seyyed Al Khoei on this: http://www.al-islam.org/tahrif_quran/
Chapter 8 of the following link is dedicated to this subject: http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/

wasalam
ramesha

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Re: What is the basic difference between shia’s and sunnis?

damn man, you guys turned this into a full debate :S
i got my answer in the first page

mods if you feel necessary you can close the thread
:jazak:

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Re: What is the basic difference between shia’s and sunnis?

:salam2:

Allah SWT said in Surah Al Imran

So pplz refrain raising fingures on each other and hold firmly the rope of Allah SWT.

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Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?

Yeah it's sad that the discussion has turned into a fight....anyway, I was reading Dr Jonathan's book and the next chapter was called "hadith tradition in Shia Islam", this is what I gathered from it so far:

1) Shia believe that religious and political authority belongs to Prophet's family and Sunnis give the authority to the scholars.

2) Shia's main source of ahadith comes from the Prophet(SAW) through the Imams and they believe the Imams to be infallible.

3) Shias have 4 main ahadith books and Sunnis have 6. Shia scholars formed their ahadith books around the same time when Sunni scholars were doing it.

4) Shias also believe in 12th Imam (hidden Imam son of Imam Hasan al-Askari) who'll fill the world with justice.

This is about Imami Shias belief, there are other sects among shia with different ideas like Zaydi shias don't believe that Ali(ra) was divine and Ismailis believe Imam Ismail(brother of Imam Musa) to be the Imam.

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Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?

^sister, this post is like a breath of fresh air.............welldone to you!

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shukran jazeelan sister…women are clearly smarter than men here.

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