i would really like to know what the basic differences are.
Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?
Shia's have the concept of Imamat after Nabuwwat, taking Hazrat Ali (as) as the first and rejecting the first 3 caliphs.
Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?
After the time our prophet Muhammad(pbuh) died, there was an argument as to who would be the leader of the Muslims. The people voted for Abu Bakr to take over but their were some people who said Ali, the prophets cousin, should take over because they were related. To make a long story short, the people who wanted Ali were never satisfied, so they broke off from the rest of the Muslims and started their own sect (Shiia means follower of Ali). There are many minor differences between the two, but the biggest is that shias have something they invented called the 12 infallible imams, who were all descendants of Ali. Sunnis also have imams, they are simply just people who lead other Muslims in prayer. Shias and sunnis have a different view about the coming of Mahdi and Shias have 10 pillars while Sunnis have 5. Shias also pray differently and have different prayer timings. Shia allow temporary marriages(mutah); sunnis do not. Shia can pray at 3 times in the day. Sunnis must pray 5 times. Shias can self-flaggalate themselves to remember Hussain; sunnis do not. Shia follow the deeds of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and the Imams. Sunnis only follow the deeds of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Some shias also curse the Prophet's companions and his wife Aisha (ra). The kalima of shia's is different from the sunni's because they added to the kalima praising Ali to be the first caliph.
i would really like to know what the basic differences are.
If you wish to know the differences in 'Aqaid' then the main one that separates us from the Sunni branch of Islam is that we believe that the Prophet (saww), just like the other Prophets of Allah, did clearly designate a successor for himself and that was Imam Ali (as).
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After the time our prophet Muhammad(pbuh) died, there was an argument as to who would be the leader of the Muslims. The people voted for Abu Bakr to take over but their were some people who said Ali, the prophets cousin, should take over because they were related. To make a long story short, the people who wanted Ali were never satisfied, so they broke off from the rest of the Muslims and started their own sect (Shiia means follower of Ali). There are many minor differences between the two, but the biggest is that shias have something they invented called the 12 infallible imams, who were all descendants of Ali. Sunnis also have imams, they are simply just people who lead other Muslims in prayer. Shias and sunnis have a different view about the coming of Mahdi and Shias have 10 pillars while Sunnis have 5. Shias also pray differently and have different prayer timings. Shia allow temporary marriages(mutah); sunnis do not. Shia can pray at 3 times in the day. Sunnis must pray 5 times. Shias can self-flaggalate themselves to remember Hussain; sunnis do not. Shia follow the deeds of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and the Imams. Sunnis only follow the deeds of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Some shias also curse the Prophet's companions and his wife Aisha (ra). The kalima of shia's is different from the sunni's because they added to the kalima praising Ali to be the first caliph.
Quite an unlettered response.
Quite an unlettered response.
But it is the truth. I can put it in bullet points, if you want.
But it is the truth. I can put it in bullet points, if you want.
thora sa tameez se likhan tha u explained it very well but i guess u forgot to add Hazrat
After the time our prophet Muhammad(pbuh) died, there was an argument as to who would be the leader of the Muslims. The people voted for Abu Bakr to take over but their were some people who said Ali, the prophets cousin, should take over because they were related. To make a long story short, the people who wanted Ali were never satisfied, so they broke off from the rest of the Muslims and started their own sect (Shiia means follower of Ali). There are many minor differences between the two, but the biggest is that shias have something they invented called the 12 infallible imams, who were all descendants of Ali. Sunnis also have imams, they are simply just people who lead other Muslims in prayer. Shias and sunnis have a different view about the coming of Mahdi and Shias have 10 pillars while Sunnis have 5. Shias also pray differently and have different prayer timings. Shia allow temporary marriages(mutah); sunnis do not. Shia can pray at 3 times in the day. Sunnis must pray 5 times. Shias can self-flaggalate themselves to remember Hussain; sunnis do not. Shia follow the deeds of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and the Imams. Sunnis only follow the deeds of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Some shias also curse the Prophet's companions and his wife Aisha (ra). The kalima of shia's is different from the sunni's because they added to the kalima praising Ali to be the first caliph.
Red ones r not true.
Blue .... can u name 10 and 5 pillars ?
Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?
if anyone has a last name as 'ALI' .Is he shia?
Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?
^not at all as Sunnis too love & respect Imam Ali (as). His merits are so many that it is impossible not to. I read somewhere that Ali is the 2nd most common name after Mohammad. So next time you meet somebody with the name Ali, do not presume that they are Shia.
Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?
Thanx all for the info.
Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?
The differences predominantly are legalistic and political. For dogma and creed differences you will need to dig a bit deeper. From what I have seen Shi'ahs use a different set of principles to determine authenticity and employ more reason that Sunnis when extracting ahkam. They appear to Sunnis atleast some of them to be like Muta'zilis. There are some Shi'ah practices that are shared by some Sunnis and rejected by others such Kalam.
Re: What is the basic difference between shia’s and sunnis?
interesting
The differences predominantly are legalistic and political. For dogma and creed differences you will need to dig a bit deeper. From what I have seen Shi'ahs use a different set of principles to determine authenticity and employ more reason that Sunnis when extracting ahkam. They appear to Sunnis atleast some of them to be like Muta'zilis. There are some Shi'ah practices that are shared by some Sunnis and rejected by others such Kalam.
But it's the same with Hanafis, no? They use reason too.
After the time our prophet Muhammad(pbuh) died, there was an argument as to who would be the leader of the Muslims. The people voted for Abu Bakr to take over but their were some people who said Ali, the prophets cousin, should take over because they were related. To make a long story short, the people who wanted Ali were never satisfied, so they broke off from the rest of the Muslims and started their own sect (Shiia means follower of Ali).
just to add one thing here that initially many ppl among ansar wanted to make "Hazrat Saad Bin Ubada" as Caliph. (please refer sahih muslim and Bukhari)
in my personal opinion this also provide an evidence to the fact that prophet did not nominate anyone as his succesor.
just to add one thing here that initially many ppl among ansar wanted to make "Hazrat Saad Bin Ubada" as Caliph. (please refer sahih muslim and Bukhari)
in my personal opinion this also provide an evidence to the fact that prophet did not nominate anyone as his succesor.
LOL.
This is what I don't understand. So after decades of spreading Islam, you believe the Prophet (saw) would just leave the fate of the ummah in the hands of destiny. That he did not appoint anyone to be captain of the ship of Islam. What you are implying here is that Abu Bakr and Umar were better 'statesmen' than the Prophet (saw). You're charging the Prophet (saw) with 'dereliction of duty', Abu Bakr was qualified to appoint his successor as Umar, yet the Prophet (saw) was not? If the Prophet (saw) did not guide the people in terms of government, then how do we believe that he is the perfect model for mankind? I don't believe he would make provisions to keep the future people of Islam to stay blind.
If the Prophet (saw) did not appoint any successor, wouldn't you have expected some sort of government or procedure of leadership, or any sort of instructions given by the Prophet?
But it's the same with Hanafis, no? They use reason too.
Peace hareem01
Yes, all Sunni schools use reason to some degree, but the primary authority is tradition - i.e. the text, even when it betrays our rationale, but Shi'ahs more often than not class such texts as unauthentic because of this fact.
Even amongst Sunnis some groups are very dogmatic and others are very rational, but Shi'ahs tend to be moreso than Sunnis.
The idea is to strike a balance between text and reason and this balance is determined by the tools of authenticity that we have and at some point we need to employ taqleed, it is a fact that Deobandi hanafis employ significantly less taqleed than Barelvi hanafis for example.
Taqleed is not 'blind faith' rather it is entrusted fellowship to a scholar who is chosen for his sublime traits and character, which is easy to see even for the layman.
just to add one thing here that initially many ppl among ansar wanted to make "Hazrat Saad Bin Ubada" as Caliph. (please refer sahih muslim and Bukhari)
in my personal opinion this also provide an evidence to the fact that prophet did not nominate anyone as his succesor.
Well, that was mainly due to the fact that Ansar had anticipated what the Quraysh were upto and ofcourse they did not fancy losing the control of their own town to the people who they did not trust.
And If you read further then you will find that Ansar at the same gathering had said that they will not give oath of allegiance to anyone except Imam Ali (as).
Re: What is the basic difference between shia's and sunnis?
Several points to be noted
shias is a incorrect term to be used for 12ers who are not simply a political party of Ali but rather have a totally different doctrine associatted with Ali and his Hussainid descendents.
These "shias" or 12ers are not like the political faction of Ali who supported him during his caliphate and fought in his wars.
Secondly there have been historically many factions of rafidah , 12ers is just one of them so their diversity has to be kept in mind.
Thirdly as mentioned the genesis of 12er or imamiyahs split from the general body of muslims DID NOT happen at the events of saqifa, or even during the lifetime of Ali or his famous sons.This fact is frequently overlooked since the sunnis tend to associate the turbulent events of caliphate of uthman with the supporters of Ali or "shias" and 12ers tend to justify their origins by claiming their origins to the schism between the sahaba at the time of saqifa.
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in my personal opinion this also provide an evidence to the fact that prophet did not nominate anyone as his succesor.
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I agree with you, almost all evidence points to this