What is Pakistan and Pakistani?

What do we mean by Pakistan and Pakistani when we see the following:

1- The national language is Urdu but majority of documents including official documents are written in a non-local language.

2- Media has everything in non-local language or made in foriegn country including India …

This include drama/serial/show titles, talk show titles, movie ads, news from outside Pakistan more than from inside.

Why should one subscribe to Pakistani channels when one can see same stuff on other channels anyway while living outside Pakistan???

Long scenes in drama with loud background music and a sad crying woman with tears in her eyes is another common scenario. Seems like evryone needs a ‘happy pill’ there.

Plain waste of money..isn’t it? Is there a difference in shows like game shows, talk shows or other programs from Pakistan and US? Copying other themes is considered ‘norm’ by few but I am sure majority even in Pakistan is just too worked up to see these ‘charba’ (copied) shows.

3- The person who speaks a foreign language in good accent is the host of the program wearing clothes made in foreign country…(Faiza)

4- Election is in USA and coverage is on Pakistani TV… Why they do not cover election from phillipines, china, germany etc. the same way? no.

So why should they spend time on US election? Hours of hours and hours of coverage when they know whatever happens will still be on next day newspaper.

Show what average pakistani in Pakistan is suffering from… or doing a great job by being a Pakistani …instead.

Show what is happeing in Pakistan and in any local city or district which could make life of average person better in Pakistan.

Get out of the slave mentality. Brits left long time ago.

Take care of the country on your own. Stop being the slave/beggar in the world.

So what is Pakistani and how Pakistani is different even from neighboring country like India?

There are many more points to discuss but share your thoughts on these if you like.

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Pakistani worship those who live in this world and don't even know where Pakistan is in the map..... Ever thought of it?

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your point is true to some extent but it is gross assumption that every Pakistani and Pakistan is like that.

while its easy to lecture, culture influence is natural when the local is not appealing to the younger generation or they dont get what they want, or they cant relate it themselves. its sad but true.

we fail to exploit and recognise our strengths, shamelessly media is too young and doesn't realise at all.
i.e, A woman speaking english doesnt have to wear a western dress to make her point!!
it always amazes me. somehow its considered good. naive mentality.

but there are many intellectuals in Pakistan who does speak by their actions and words. I personally met many people who are at top of what they are doing yet they dont tend to hang to english to prove they are something like we see the wannabe lot!

any person who is confident and believe in himself they speak in language what is required at that point of time.

while you see such wanna bees everywhere in media, on streets, in offices they do not represent Pakistan at all.

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Pakistan is the fulfillment of the dream of more than a thousand years of selfless devotion and struggle of the Muslims of South Asia. It is the natural successor of the Islamic heritage of South Asia and a vanguard of the Islamic dream in South Asia. First and foremost, it is a country where Muslims can practice their religion in freedom and live in security. May Allah swt bless Pakistan and help Islam take root in the hearts of the people. That is the only way to make Pakistan better and to save Pakistan.

I think what you are saying that there is no big problem in showing others what Pakistan and Pakistani people do not have. Am I correct in my assesment of your post?

Is there an identity as Pakistan since we get all worked up in how to please others? Granted that many of us do not have such weaknesses but all elites or so called elites do have this disease of imitating others and acting and thinking like others but not having their own creative mind.

Imitators do not get respect anywhere.

I respect your thoughts. But freedom and security are lacking in Pakistan.
In fact if even security is established in Pakistan for everyone with law and order/justice, the country will prosper in few months.
By the way, people go to masjid and pray etc. etc. in many many non-muslim countries and have security better than in Pakistan. Why do you think so many want to run out of Pakistan and live somewhere else? Some even want to go to Iran!

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Pakistan has the POTENTIAL for greatness. As Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah said in Lahore while visiting Badshahi Masjid, Pakistan may hold the key for the liberation of the entire Muslim. I foirmly believe this. Pakistan and the Muslims of Indiahave been responsible, in a major part, for the resurgence of Islam and the revolutionary Islamic thought we see today. Maulana Maududi is a giant among all the scholars that have ever lived, and he directly influenced such prominient leaders such as Hassan al Banna and Sayyid Qutb.

Pakistan's moral degeneracy and lack of progress is the firect result of the lack of islamic consciousness among the people. Until the peopel of Pakistan embrace Islam with their hearts and mind, Pakistan will be the prey of all its neighbors and of foreign governments such as the US and the UK. Unless khalifah is established in Pakistan, it will never prosper as a society. The manority ofpeople in Pakistan are religious and support Khalifah, but thsoe in power dislike Islam and whcih to limit Islamic resurgence in Pakistan. Pakistan will be one of the centers of Islamic renaissance in the coming years.

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^^^ stop that rant and living in the past. there will be no khalifa, how would you expact a single leader from muslims when they cant even agree on any mutual agenda, and so many emirates, countries, parties, its not possible. a stronger OIC may be possible, a Khalifat isnt going to happen.

and the topic is about Pakistan not whole muslims. every wonder what arabs think of Pakistanis? do they consider them as equal brothers? even Afghanis somehow consider themselves better than PAkistanis.

Pakistan is one of the Islamic powerhouses among, Turkey, Malaysia. it can be a leader once it sort out its issue on internal security and economy!

topic of discussion is about non directed so called elite as Pakistan has become an aristocratic in nature, so the people who try to represent Pakistan doent have roots or dont want to show these roots and the real Pakistan.

on similar note, Pakistan acheivements so far since its creation are mostly because of silent intellectuals and dedicated Pakistanis, they are the real power of Pakistan and until now those silent people who doenst have public exposure, work honestly and keeping faith in state of Pakistan and allah and that has kept Pakistan existance.

any society development initial phases assume sham values like money and show off is the power, but that doesnt get a country anywhere, respect to education and morality prevails sooner or later. it all happens when a nation progress and evey individual does its part for its nation honestly.

The hadith state that the Khilafat will happen. It is a religious duty on all Muslims to establish a Khilafat, and it is a major sin of our leaders to ignore it.

The only way into the future is to learn from our past. Rasool Pak (s) was the greatest model for Muslims in the entire world, and his teachings are still relevant.

I don't think you are familiar with the structure of a Khilafat. You should read some of the books by Maulana Maududi on the structure and ideals of Khilafat. We should strive towards what Islam, because to serve Allah swt in everything we do is the ebst way to become closer to him.

Islam teaches us that we should stand united with all Muslims. I consider all Muslims equal brothers of ours, unless an individual gives me a reason not to consider him a brother. I judge people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin or by their nationality. Hazrat Mustafa (s) is my model, and I will have no shame in following his teachings no matter what.

I am very proud of Pakistani people that they have continued to follow hospitality and respect fo fellow Muslims instead of racial supremacy. Alhamdulilah, this isone of our redeeming factors as a nation.

Rizq (sustainence) is from Allah swt. He gives to whom He desires and limits from whom He desires. The only way to make Pakistan stronger is to serve Allah swt and strive to establish Pakistan on the wishes of the people of Pakistan for an Islamic Khilafat. Internal security and economy are two important realms on which we should develop, but (taqwa) the awareness of Allah swt and the development of iman (faith) in the populace is what is even more important.

Yes, I agree with you. I believe that the number one priority for every Muslim is to worship Allah swt and follow his commandments in everything which we do. Islam tells us all Muslims are brothers to each other, and unless we show brotherhood to fellow brothers, then how can we have faith? We should cherish Muslims everywhere, from Pakistan to Morocco, Chechnya, Indonesia, Nigeria, or anywhere.

This is the difference between Muslims, we are all one people in front of Allah swt. We should work to bring Pakistan into the shadow of the Quran and hadith. Once Pakistan becomes a God-fearing society, then Allah swt will increase his baraka (blessings) to us.

Take care.

With all due respect to you and Maududi Sahab, Maududi was in fact a hypocrit. He and his people opposed creation of Pakistan. Then they turned around (which is OK and good gesture by many people) and tried to control the country on religious front when a country was to be borne anyway without their support. They just were politicians and nothing but politicians with no integrity.

As I pointed out earlier, there is no Pakistanism and perhaps we do not need to be hung up on what Pakistanism is but then what we see is still majority of people who have no idea where the country should go on what ideology and there is a serious lack of or vacuum in terms of what should be the country's direction.

OK...no direction east or west..but at least have one direction. That is, the welfare and safety of Pakistani people. Is that we see at all in the country?
Unfortunately, no.

Elites spend money onuseless things. Hundreds of people go out of country in a plane and beg for money from another country.

These elites do not even keep the money in the country let alone spend it in the country.

General public is culturally, morally and mentally slave of outsiders even to a neighbor country. Movies, songs and shows are inspired by the Pakistani media which is from another country. Even the language is being hijacked by outsiders.

Shops are full of DVD players, cellphones and all sort of electronic equipmets but rice, flour and meat price is skyrocketing. Cars are being ought by people who have barely some money to put petrol in the car every week.

When we say word 'president' it means US president, when we say 'Prime minister', its british prime minister. Isn't it? Come on Pakistani are more slaves compared to many others and theoretically speaking had freedom in 1947 at the cost of millions of lives. Our army is bikao maal, or kirare ke tatto and they fight for others but are reluctant to defend its citizens.

Can we not say in reality that Pakistan is slowly being highjacked.....parts by parts?

The point is that there is chaos and nothing but chaos.

And religious people just tell people to pray five times and somehow expect good. All their ills will be cured without using their brain and skills.

Speaking of arabs, including any other nations, they will not respect Pakistan until Pakistan and its people wake up and besides living in harmony with everyone in the world (and recognizing friends and foe ) focus on the well being of a common, honest, and hard working citizen. (the number of which is declining despite still being the majority)

What fiction. A thousand years of struggle of Muslims of South Asia? Invasion of Indian subcontinent by Arabs and central Asian muslims went over several hundred years and it was a conquest for the rich kings. The idea and struggle to create a seperate country for Indian muslims started only after 1900s.

BTW Maududi was not a giant scholar and certainly he was opposed to Jinah and the idea of Pakistan. He knew that Jinah was a secular person and Jinah's Pakistan would be a democratic state where religion will be a personal matter. Maududi wanted a Pan-arab Islamic Khilafat system.

It is because of the followers of Maududi mind set that instead of Pakistan being a place where muslims can practice their religion freely and live in security, it is one of the feq countries in the world where mosques and religious gatherings keep getting attacked and have to be protected by police guards so that the faithfuls can pray without being attacked and blown to peices by zealots of other sects.

right on.

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Its only been 60 some years and perhaps we need to wait few more years. But we should adopt very fast a unified and good system of our own with our own ideology which repects everyone in the country to be Pakistani and reject ideas or monitory help as much as possible from outside which potentially cause the countrymen to have slave mentality.

Clean up the roads, streets and water, build new highways with own skills and give a thought to use available minds and resources in the country in all sectors.

Buying technology from others will never make the country flourish. Stop wasting energy and try build more power plants.

Wasn't it enough that we eat oily food then we adapted the certified worst food for health like burger and pizza? Just to imitate others? All its going to do is more heart attack or stroke with even lower life expectancy. People in Pakistan feel and look old in their 50's and 60's as it is. If they make it to 70's and 80's they feel lucky.

Its pathetic to see foreign minister wearing three piece suit with a colorful tie and handkerchief in the coat, or officials dancing in front of crowd while listening to songs in a country where so many people are poor or may sleep hungry at night.

So, what is Pakistan and Pakistani?

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Khilafat is that it means the form of Government in Islam. The Ulama have now agreed by and large that in the framework of overall Islamic political theory, both Presidential and Parliamentary Governments of to-day are consistent with Islam (Ref. : Islamic Constitution of Iran and Pakistan, Islamic Law and Constitution by Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, ).

Thats what you Madudi said, and his followers still fighting for power in a democratic governmnet.

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All human beings are khalifa of Allah though many of them commit sins and do not act like khalifa. (Ref. : Quran - 6:165; 27:62 and 35:39).

all humans are khalifa of Allah on Earth.

one kingdom, khilafat, etc is not going to happen until may be imam mehdi and jesus comes in.

thinking for practical way, OIC is already bunch of Islamic countries on a single platform. If its application and importance is improved and it does some actuall work rather than lip service.
It can create a Islamic Free Zone, common economic area, with so much intervention and differences between Islamic countries, its a very hard job. I can see that loose block of countries can make some form of a unity among Muslims.

If you are thinking of orthodox 1 ameer ul momineen, given the state of muslim countries, this is not going to happen.!

again dont please dont de rail the thread, as its about Pakistan not Khilafat or Muslim world.

Yes the topic is about Pakistan.

Pakistani is ill-defined. No direction and no sense of responsibility.

In offices people go and watch the clock to get out. Tea break, cigarrette break, lunch break and again tea break. Petty little things are done only if you know the office person or use bribe.

In 'parliment' Senate' or whatever we call these places (And why we call these places such is another question-why not come up with local names?) ; *governing people waste time to defend their position in power and opposition wastes time in pulling their legs and try to snatch power from them. *

High officers in army get currupted every decade by coming to power by force and become head of national institutes.

Who thinks of common person in the country? Legislation for better life of an individusl is seriously lacking and booing and mocking each other is common practice in politics.

Many people know their children and grand children will be living in same country, city and neighborhood then why they destroy the infra-structure?

Why burn buses, buildings or throw garbage on street from high apartments? Why spit outside the window of your car or bus?

Why kill/sacrifice animals infront of your own house or in neighborhoods so blood will be there on streets with flies coming to your own house??????

NOT MY PROBLEM is the prevailing philosophy in the country!

Hope we are getting the grasp of seriousness of the problem. That is, No Direction of the country. By saying inshallah will not solve problems.

Pakistan made tremendous strides in the last 60 years. Back in the 1947 we had zero universities, practically no industry, no infrastructure, and no institutions. While our neighbors India, Afghanistan, and Iran had all those things plus more resources.

Then under the visionary leadership, an economic miracle happened and Pakistan was transformed into one of the top notch developing country. Even though we have not kept up the pace as it was during Ayub's time, we still are not too shabby.

As I said in another thread, it is a reality that Pakistanis live "far better" than their immediate neighbors.

Think about this folks. Pakistani Urdu speaking live on average much much better than their cousins in UP and Bihar.

Pakistani Punjabis live way better than their brethren (ethnically) across the border. Heck East Punjabis aren't even allowed to have their own capital. And forget about big mansions and big cars and fancy schools. Indian Punjabis have to be content with meager living even though they are among the highest producing provinces in the Indian collection.

Pakistani Balochis need to learn a lesson from Iran how they treat Iranian Balochis. With all the oil and gas in Iran, the Balochis there, live in a much worse political and social setup.

Pakistani Sindhis cannot even dream of owning large tracts of land if they were across the border.

And forget about comparing Pakistani Pashtoons to their ethnic brothers across the border. I mean Afghans have lost even the last iota of self respect. No government, no police, and no money. Occupied by Arabs or Europeans every ten years is the norm for Afghans.

Sure we have difficulties but we'll deal with them. If we need more wealth as a nation than what we have at this moment, then we must transform ourselves for a life in 21st century and beyond. Here are few suggestions.

  1. Pakistan first. No Sunni, no shia, no hindu, no sikh and no christian just Pakistani. Follow whatever religion you like, but keep it at home. If someone wants to be lackey of Saudi Arabia or Iran, ask them to leave and settle in their beloved countries. Pakistan will not be a place for intolerant people.

  2. Get rid of the religious chauvinism and draconian hadood ordinances. These are stone age relics that should be kept in museums.

  3. Establish good relations with every country who respects us, regardless of their religion.

  4. Pick up smart and developed countries as role models, and not some backwater sinkhole just because they follow some specific religion.

  5. Be part of the nations who are educated and technologically advanced. And learn from them, be good students of them.

  6. Be humble and welcome all tourists. Feed them whatever they like and treat them with so much charm that they want to settle in Pakistan.

And believe you me, wealth and prosperity will come to Pakistan. Important thing is that the suggestions listed above have to be practiced by us the ordinary folks. Governments do not need to impose them on us.

So many posts have come up during my absence. Is Khilafah that debatable of a topic? being Muslims it is a sin to oppose Khilafat, opposing Khilafat is opposing the Prophet Muhammad (s)'s commands for us.

Bakwas. You don't know anything about Maulana Maududi, he did far more for the Muslims of South Asia then any other leader during that time. He opposed the creation of Pakistan based on what would happen to the Muslims left in idnia, but later in his life recognized that partition would be inevitable. Quaid e Azam did the same.

Pakistan is an idea, just as Allama Iqbal stated. It is the culmination of the aspirations and the political evolution of the Muslims of South Asia. Pan-Islamic ideology is the basis of Pakistan, the idea that islam can unite different ethnic groups into one nation. Pakistan needs to be a model for the rest fo the Muslims to follow, this is what Quaid e azam wanted.

That si the lack of iman (faith) among the people and its leaders. Once the islamic renaissance, which Maulana Maududi was instrumental in, reaches more peopel and the government adopts an islamic model, then Allah (swt) will give his bounty to Pakistan. The leaders wish to keep the peopelf rom islam and Allah swt, that is why Pakistan is the situation its in.

Pakistan is falling apart as a society. it is the fault of ourselves, we are to blame for this. Because we fight the will of Allah (swt), and we care only for ourselves. Selfishness destroys the society, if our society collapses, it will be our own fault.

The Prophet (s) said, 'Tie your horse and make dua it doesn't run away.'

What is the meaning of this? Help yourselves practically and have faith in Allah (swt). One without the other is not faith, it is lack of faith.

Yes, but from my experience the Muslims outside Pakistan want the best for Pakistan and pray for the betterment of Pakistan. Muslims are one people, and their are many Arabs who love Pakistan and its peopel with their hearts as brothers. Do not fall into the trap of racism, it leads to Kufr.

It was created because of the experiences of the past generations and colonial sujugation fo the Muslims by the British, Sikh, and Hindus.

What are you, a Hindu?

Who decieved you to such lengths about the idea of Khilfat? Pakistan ahs never been a Khilafat since its creation. if you are Muslim and think that Islam is the problem, then Islam is in no need of you. Allah (swt) will work his greatness regardless of what others wish.

Maulana Maududi's Pakistan is the true Pakistan which the peopel of Pakistan wished for. The Muslims of South Asia are religious community with a deep of the Prophet Muhammad (s) and his commandments. Khilafat IS the only solution. 60 years of secularism have destroyed the fabric of the society and made it a market for all the nations fo the world to exploit, the only way left is through Khilafat and tawaqul allah (trust in Allah swt).

Wrong. The Pakistani government is a government not in line with Khilafah. As Maulana Maududi stated concerning Islamic government in islam, 'The Khalifah must be grounded in the the submission of Allah (swt) in all its dimensions (economy, finances, politics, media, environment, war, etc.). He pushed his students to run for office for the expressed purpose of eventually bringing Islamic law and Islamic governance through the democratic system. This failed because Maulana Maududi did not factor in the rot of secularism and the lengths to which the elite would go to preventthe establishment of Khilafah. Furthermore, a Khilafah cannot be established through a system based on taghut. Khilafah will arise from the collective will of the people when they are grounded in faith in Allah swt.

Khilafah is a very particular from of government, but the topic is to in-depth to discuss in this limited space. Please read some works of Maulana Maududi to get a more fair idea of Khilafat.

But that doesn't mean we should stop inour efforts to bring Khilafat. The Yawm al Akhirat can be tommorrow or thousands of eyars from now. Let not prophecy dictate your future actions, but what is right.

Yes, it can work, but Khilafat must start from grassroots. However your idea would help strengthen the bonds of the Ummah.

Sheikh Salahuddin came whent he crusaders had conquered Palestine and the Holy places and the Muslims were worked like slaves. Allah swt brought victory to Salahuddin because of his iman and because it was his will. Sultan Muhammad al Fatih conquered Istanbul after more than one hundred years of bloody wars and after the Turks were nearly defeated. Sultan Aurangzeb came to the Mughal empire when the 'muslim' kings had slipped into kufr and began supporting Non-Muslims against fellow Muslims, and he restored just rule over South Asia.

If you have iman in Allah swt and tawaqul allah, Allah swt will make you victorious inevitably. Since we have forgetten Allah swt and become selfish and on the brink of kufr, that is why we are in the condition that we are in.

Allah swt made Pakistan, Allah swt is the only one who can save Pakistan.

They are all related. Khilafat is the goal of Pakistan, it is the reason why Pakistan was created. The people have wanted Khilafat since 1947 and our leaders have denied us this. It is a terrible thing to deny the command of Allah swt.

Wrong. Pakistan has a purpose, and this is as a homeland for Muslims on the fundamentals of the Islamic religion. This is why Khilafat is inevitable. As long as we deny Allah swt, Allah swt will deny us.

Look at what Pakistan has become, because of the denial of Allah swt. It is a gold mine for the corrupt leaders of Pakistan and the fraudian and everyone else who wishes to exploit the people.

Allah swt says to his servant, come back and I will forgive you and help you, but we are too arrogant for Allah swt. We think we can solve this by ourselves, we are like the kaffiroon who did not need Allah swt. Don't you people see, Allah swt is the only one who can fix this. Until we have faith in Allah swt as a society, what hope have we against America, or India, or these landowners, or corrupt politicians, or secular elites, or corrupt generals.

If you have faith in Allah swt and work hard to better your situation, Allah swt will help you. Allah swt is the answer.

LOL. What?

Pakistani is a Muslim country. It is only propaganda from Kaffiroon that being an islamic country will result in intolerance for Non-Muslims. Pakistani people support establishment of Khilafat 74% [poll taken by University of Minnesota]. If you are Muslim, it is incumbent upon you to govern by what Allah swt has ordered you to govern by.

I suppose so should religion. Why do we need Islam anyway? Shouldn't we be 100% like Americans and West?

Apparently you think the only way to move forward is to leave the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad (s) in museums.

Wrong. Establish good relations with countries depending on their relationship with Pakistan, treatment of their Muslim minorities, and the interests of other Muslim countries.

Fir example, we should never ina million years recognize Israel because it is oppressing, murdering our Palestinian brothers, funding Indian army, and encouraging the US to invade Pakistan, Iran, Syria, and other muslim countries.

Our models should be the Quran and Sunnah. The 'developed' countries are sinking, or have you not noticed that?

Technology and education si necessary, but we should remain proud of who were are and the fact that we are Muslims. We shouldn't be slaves to anyone but Allah swt.

Learn science, economics, law, medicine, enginerring, but also learn the Quran and the Sunnah. That is how a Muslim should think.

Yes, unless it is poisoning them with alcohol or drugs. We are not that in need of tourists who come here for drinking and night clubs, India or Thailand are always open. This should be a Muslim country.

Along with faith in Allah swt and being a dutiful Muslim. If we think that we can do this without Allah swt and his prophet, then how different are we than the people of Ad, Thamud, or the people of Nuh.

My greatest advice for anyone reading is have faith in Allah swt and try to better your situation practically at the same time. Islam is a modern religion which does not oppose logic and science. Inshallah, Allah swt will give victoryto the believers.

Remember, the true goal is the Afterlife, akhirat, and these Westerners who are devoid of belief in Allah swt will be burning in the hellfire. Do you want to follow them to Jahannam? Allah swt make us and our families obedient to Him and the companions of Jannat ul Firdaus. Ameen. Ya Rabb, Ameen.

AM bro! you have lived too long in isolation. Are you settled in some nice comfy apartment in a Western country. Looks like it.

FYI, in Pakistan we have updated the concept of Khalifa. It now means someone who doesn't do anything and doesn't know anything about this world.

Another definition of Khalifa is "barber" or hajjam.

So calm down and take a sip of water. We can certainly oppose these "modern day" Khalifas without the fear of divine intervention.

Unless off course you are hiding the real khalifa in your armpit. If that's the case, then let the poor guy out. Things may not be that comfy there.

Ammar sahab,

Why does Pakistan need religion or khilafa to be able to give sanctuary and good life to general people?

Please do not bring religion or khilafa again and again in to discussion since it has nothing to do what is being discussed.

Is there any coutry which has these pre-requisites so people can get security, justice and welfare?

The idea of putting a condition before one does good thing simply means there is no will to get up and do good work.

So try some other reasons for lack of Pakistanism and lack of responsibility.

People in majority have rejected Maududi political ideas but he can be respected as someone who had religious knowledge. What his political party has done in past everyone knows so spare Pakistan from his ideologies.
Its just another way of acquiring control over people's mind by some religious people. There are many religious scholars who believe in changing people's mind rather than coming to power and implement rules. JI in its days lied to people to bring prices down and did not do. Remember those days?

You don't need religion to clean up cities, educate people, provide justice and simply work hard honestly to make country stronger.

Right on! I hope the maudoodites have a will or brains to understand these modern concepts.