What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?

[Bigboi]

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@aramis09

The False Prophecies of a False Prophet

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s False Predictions

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, the founder of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat), wrote in his books:

• “To Judge my truthfulness or lies, there is no better test than my prophecies.”
  (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 288)
• “Let it be known to unbelieving persons that my truthfulness or falsehood will be judged by my prophecies. There is no other touchstone for it.”
  (Pamphlet, 10th July 1888; Aina-e-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 288)
• “I do not speak of my volition. Indeed, that is nothing but revelation which is revealed.”
  (Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 5, P. 58)
• Torah and Quran have designated Prophecies as the only big proof of Prophethood."
  (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 12, P. 111)
• “It is not possible that the prophecies of Prophets are delayed.”
  (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 5)
• “To turn out a liar in his own prophecy is biggest disgrace of disgraces.”
  (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 15, P. 382)

Allow us to examine a few of the better known prophecies of the person who called himself a Prophet, Mehdi, and the Promised Messiah. According to Mirza Ghulam himself, even if only one prophecy has not come to pass, we should view him a liar and an impostor. Let’s count his most famous prophecies which did not come to pass:

• Prophecies and Mubahala Concerning Mr. Abdullah Khan Atham
  Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was badly humiliated by Mr. A.K. Atham, a Christian, in a debate. Mirza Ghulam’s repeated prophecies regarding a miserable death for Mr. Atham did not come to pass.
• Prophecy concerning Multiple Marriages and many Children
  “Indeed God has given me the good news that I shall have numerous children from blessed women, whom I shall marry after this revelation.”
  (Tabligh-i-Risalat, Vol. 5, P. 58)

“In February 1886, I made a declaration after receiving revelation from God that He gave me good news of marriages after this declaration and soon I shall marry women of good omen and virtue and to me will be born children from them.”
(Tabligh-i-Risalat, Vol. 1, P. 89)

Mirza Ghulam made this statement when he was 46 years old. The fact is that he did not marry anyone after this prophecy.

• Prophecies Regarding Marriage to Mohammadi Begum
  Mirza Ghulam’s repeated assertions that his marriage to Mohammadi Begum was ordained by God never came to pass. Additionally, **the father died within 3 years] **noneof the individuals he had threatened with death from God died as he had predicted.

• Prophecies Regarding the birth of Sons to his wife
  Mirza Ghulam made multiple prophecies regarding birth of sons to his wife. They all failed.

    **none failed**
  

• Prophecy about Marriage to a Virgin and a Widow
  Mirza Ghulam has written:

“It is God’s intention that He will bring two ladies in my wedlock. One will be virgin and the other widow. Therefore, this inspiration that is related to *Bikr *(virgin), it has been fulfilled and, presently by the grace of God, I have four sons from this wife. I am still waiting for the fulfillment of the inspiration regarding widow.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 15, P. 201)

Mirza Ghulam never married a widow.

• Prophecies Regarding “A Spark of Light of Allah”
  Mirza Ghulam’s claim that a new born boy would grow up to become the savior of the humanity failed, when the young boy died of an illness.

    **he was not talking about this son, but what will you know? You know nothing and already have proved it!**
  

• Prophecies Concerning the Plague and Qadian
  Mirza Ghulam feared Cholera very much and declared it to be one of his signs. He predicted that the plague that became rampant in Punjab will not enter Qadian, the dwelling place of God’s prophet (himself)! However, not only did the plague spread to Qadian, it also took the life of several people in Mirza Ghulam’s own house.

    **anyone who entered the House of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and REPENETED was saved!**
  

• Prophecies Concerning Birth of a Son to a Follower
  Mirza Ghulam’s prophecies concerning the birth of a son to one of his followers, Manzoor Muhammad, did not materialize.

    **not even knowing the right name and then making big claims!**
  

• Prophecies and Mubahala Concerning Dr. Abdul Hakim](http://www.irshad.org/qadianism/prophecg.php)
  Mirza Ghulam Qadiani engaged in a discussion with a Muslim Doctor by the name of Abdul Hakim. During this discussion, the Doctor called Mirza a Liar and challenged him to a debate. Instead of accepting the debate, Mirza Ghulam prophecised a miserable death for Dr. Hakim. These predictions also failed and proved to be the inventions of a lost soul and a pretender

    **What a way to start a debate, ey? Calling someone liar w/o listening! He did right in not     accepting the debate. Would you accept a debate if your branded liar and the debate has not started yet? hahahahah...**
  

• Prophecy Concerning Long Life
  Mirza Ghulam declared to have received wahi (revelation) concerning his lifespan:

“Enemies wish for my death and prophecise about it. God has, however, given me the good news that I shall live for eighty (80) years or more.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 239; Mawahib-ur-Rahman, P. 21

      **for your information. He died at the age of 73**

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani died when he was sixty eight (68) years old.

• Prophecy Concerning his Death in a Holy City
  Mirza Ghulam had stated:

“I will die either in Mekkah or Medina.”
(Tadhkira, P. 591)

Mirza Ghulam did not ever see Mekkah or Medina. He died in the city of Lahor, Pakistan; his body was moved and burried in Qadian.

**don’t know where you got this story from! **

copy and paste, not knowing that my dirty intentions led my dirty fingers to write dirt and things which are not true. I feel so sorry for your poor soul, falling in the hands of jews and christians who are making mockery of Islam! Well done Brother, keep spreading hatred with your LIES you mankind hater!

For your information, a son was granted to him, the Son’s name is Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood and not Manzoor Muhammad. You have proved you are a liar and you know not one Iota about Ahmadiyyat, but like to bark like your mullah dogs!

**They contradict the story and then say this man was contradicted! They don’t have the facts, create their own, take a little from there, a little bit from there and then mix it up and tadaaa we have a proof that Mirza Gulam Ahmad (as) is a imposter…Hahahahaha!

I would go and hide and never comeback to the daylight when I don’t even know the name of the Khalifa who was to become one of the successor of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

aramis09,

go and hide and never comeback to the daylight, his name is Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood. That is a wicked one! That is such a wicked one. Any Non-Ahmadi reading this come and tell me what is true and what wrong!

He is making propaganda against Ahmadiyyat through a different site and he/they even don’t know the right name. Hahahahahaha. Go and hide. Fingers are pointed at you, laughing about you!

**

[aramis]

Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?

The Qadiani missionaries often try to put Mirza’s contradictory statements to good use and, by mentioning only the quotes that benefits their argument, try to paint an appealing portrait of Mirza. … Mr. mirza’s own sayings(no one made them up)

***“I have never abused anyone.”
(Moahiburahman, P. 18)

“Those who oppose me are wild boars and their women are worst than *****es.”
(Najmul-Huda, P.15) *********

as far as copy/pasting…i am sure its OK…
i am not a missionary or a glib talker ..i researched an posted instead of claiming it to be my writing.

[Bigboi]

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I can say 1000000 % these are not his writings!

You know not even one Qadiani Missionary and accuse them of such a blatant lie! Of course, Pakistan is God and has declared them Non-Muslims, so why listen to them even if they pray, fast, pay zakat and go to hajj. They are jews or Christians believing in the Trinity of God. Feel the wrath of God Pakistan! Fear the wrath of God Mullah Dogs!

how can you copy and paste? To spread hatred? I mean how can I copy and paste something I haven't read by myself? Do you know that it is Bashir-ud-din Mahmood and not Manzoor Muhammad. That he married again? Don't you know this, how can you copy and paste this? How many lives do you have on your conscience?

You did not even research the truth and then you say to me and tell the others that you researched? If you post lies then it's not ok! How can you be sure? Are you kidding me? Are you serious?

I have doubts on the first statement and the on the second. Tell the people who started giving him bad names? These people forget their own slandering, but when people defend in their own used language then they cry and whine like little girls. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) only showed them the mirror in which they could see their dirty tongues, giving bad names to the family, mother and siblings. They proved that they are truly sons of prostitues. Their deeds showed it!

I've been asking very rationaly that if Ahmad was an imposter and a dajjal, why has he not been struck by Allah? Every liar in the name of Allah has been struck down by Allah! There is no exception! Why is this sect flourishing since more than 120 years. I mean, the rightly guided Imam did everything. From fatwa to murder, why was no one able to make an end to this story?

Do you have any answers? You have not! You will come with old stories I'm reading for a couple of time now and I'm sick of reading it over and over again!

**So my dearest request to any of the mods would be to close the Thread for good. I'd really appreciate that. We have given references. If the people still want to discuss and put in irrelavant stuff, shall they open groups and defend their desires there!

Another request of mine would be to close New Amadi Threads immediately. This will lead to nothing. We are moving in a circle the whole time w/o coming to an result! If an Anti-Ahmadiyya Thread is opened and people have question please direct them to Mr.Popat, test01 or me!

Thank You Very Much!

**

[test01]

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As attempt is being made to drown the discussion in pages of cut & paste (a sign of frustration on failure to reply on earlier points), so here is a recap of what has been established by the discussion so far;

1. Hazrat Isa has died a natural death and is not coming back

Prominent scholars of all major denominations agree on Hazrat Isa dying a natural death. None of these scholars have been declared non-Muslim for their belief. This means Hazrat Isa is not coming back, as dead do not come back and Allah does not change his law, instead someone else will appear in his name as Isa, who will also be a prophet, just as John appeared as Elijah.

2. A non-law bearing prophet can come

Prominent scholars of major denominations do not deny that a non-law bearing can come. None of these scholars have been declared non-Muslim for their belief. Any claim that so called belief in khatm-e-nabuwat is necessary for a Muslim is false, is a lie spread by Mullahs in current age and has no basis in Islamic teaching.

Hopefully we will not have to revisit these points, to save everyone’s time.

[test01]

Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?

aramis09, are you happy with the conclusions of the discussion so far? If not then your attempt to change topic is an admission of failure to reply to current points raised by Ahmadis and a confirmation that you are diverting conversation deliberately to avoid having to reply to points raised so far in discussion.

If you are honest you will;

a. Accept current points raised by Ahmadis before moving on to the next points, or

b. Attempt to answer current issues in discussion so far, before diverting discussion;

otherwise we will be changing topic after topic without coming to any conclusion. A waste of time for everyone.

This is an old trick of Ahmadi opponents; when they fail to answer any point they change the topic rather accept their defeat gracefully on the point at hand. Let’s see how it turns out with aramis09.

[Bigboi]

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I hope this is done now. Shall they believe what they want to believe in, they have to answer God, not we! Mods, please close this Thread before any Anti Ahmadiyya statement is published!

[Mr.Popat]

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May I please ask the members here .. what are some of the characteristics of Imam Mehdi AS? According to you... when will he AS come, what will be his mission and finally... what are some of the prophecies by Prophet Muhammad PBUH regarding the coming of Imam Mehdi? Please reply, as my intention here is to learn. If possible , please also give references.

ps : just out of curiosity, since Ahmadis are wajib ul qatl.. How much swaab does a "Muslim" person get by killing an ahmadi? Are there any penalties like death sentence to a person whose caught killing an ahmadi?..

[Mr.Popat]

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aramis09,

Have you read what i wrote in some of my posts earlier in this thread? Try quoting me from my earlier posts in this thread and ask questions if you have any.. if not then please say that yes you admit what ever i wrote is the truth, and then from then on we can move forward to Promised Massiah AS's books.. Please refrain from copy pasting from anti ahmadiyya sites because all they do is take the text out of context. It is not wise to point out some of the statements made by the Promised Massiah /Imam mahdi AS without having enough knowledge of what exactly he was talking about.

Will you be okay if i say to you that in Quran it is said not to pray and thats all i say? a person not so knowledgeable about Islam may think that Muslims are crazy because in Quran it is said not to pray. Now if you take the whole text and explain, it'll be much easier to understand and perhaps will make a lot more sense. Quran explains that dont pray if you're intoxicated ( and some other conditions which i forgot just now :( ).. now that made sense, isnt it?.. Please do the same when quoting things from Promised Massiah AS's books.

ps: aramis09, i'd really like you to answer the question i asked in the last post of mine. Lets see how much do you really know about the coming of Imam Mehdi

[psyah]

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Closed as requested by bigboi